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August 15, 2012 2:48 pm

Israel Weighs Extraditing Citizen to Bosnia

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Forty-two-year-old Alexander Cvetkovic, an Orthodox Christian Serb and now Israeli citizen, is accused of war crimes for killing Muslims in the fall of Srebrenica, in 1995, when he was a 25 year old soldier.

His extradition was demanded by Bosnia and granted by Jerusalem, though now the decision is under appeal.

His ultimate fate is important for global human rights, because among the four warring ethnicities in the Balkan wars of the 90s, one has been disproportionately targeted for prosecution by the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia (ICTY), at The Hague and its affiliate courts, often given draconian sentences for crimes whose scope has yet to be determined—the Serbs. If it can happen to Serb soldiers and generals, it can happen to Israeli ones in their own, parallel conflict with the Palestinians. Indeed, Samantha Power has suggested the possibility of a Yugoslavia-style NATO occupation of Israel.

In the darkest days of the Yugoslavian civil war, Srebrenica was used by the Bosnian-Muslim military as a base from which it launched gruesome raids on nearby Orthodox Christian Serb villages, with Muslim fighters and civilians alike murdering Serb inhabitants, in an orgy of violence that the world never heard about or saw pictures of, in contrast to the images of Muslim suffering that were beamed into every TV set.

As Cvetkovic sits in an Israeli jail (as per Bosnia’s request), while appealing the adverse decision by the Jerusalem District Court to let his extradition proceed, his case is calling into question Israel’s responsibility to protect his life.

In an Op Ed in the Jerusalem Post, Stephen Karganovic, president of the Dutch NGO Srebrenica Historical Project, wrote:

“[Cvetkovic] is charged with taking part in an episode at a site called Pilica where several hundred Muslim prisoners of war are alleged to have been shot… For the past 20 years, Cvetkovic has been married to a Ukrainian Jewish woman and has two sons with her…. The case raises some disturbing issues if this Israeli citizen is handed over to Sarajevo authorities… The overwhelming majority of indictees are predictably non-Muslim (133 Serbs, 21 Croats, and only 29 Muslims). They generally receive lengthy sentences, compared to minimal punishment meted out to the relatively few Muslims who were tried for crimes committed during the Bosnian war… The defense are allowed scant resources for adequate personnel and investigation as they face a well funded and staffed prosecution machine. Witness intimidation by the prosecutor is standard procedure…with disturbing stories of pressure and blackmail.”

According to Haaretz, “The Jerusalem District Court conditioned [Mr. Cvetkovic’s] extradition on assurances by Sarajevo regarding incarceration standards there.”

“Assurances by Sarajevo” – it could be the title of a satire! One requested “assurance” was that Cvetkovic be kept separate from other prisoners because of safety concerns for non-Muslims. Indeed. Witness the cautionary tale of a Serb general in a British prison where there were many Muslims. In 2004, Britain tossed General Radislav Krstic into a prison housing sex offenders and murderers. The predictable headline followed a few years later: Radislav Krstic – Three Muslims Slash His Throat Open in Jail Revenge Attack

And who was this Krstic, the Serb “war criminal” and “brute,” as news reports described him upon the near-fatal attempt on his life? Examining Krstic’s case shows what’s wrong with the charges against Cvetkovic.

Krstic was sentenced to 46 years (reduced to 35) for a crime whose nature has yet to be determined, and for bodies that had yet to be unearthed at the time of his conviction. Gen. Krstic was convicted of the summary execution of “more than 7,000 people,” though Tribunal investigators had never discovered all the bodies. All this may be macabre, but it is also worth noting in any discussion of fair play that his sentence of 46 years in prison seemed excessive to other more notorious war criminals, including Adolf Hitler’s successor, Admiral Karl Doenitz (10 yrs.), and Albert Speer (20 yrs.), the Nazi war production chief.

The Krstic judgment raised some eyebrows among Hague observers. In his analysis of the 2004 Krstic appeal judgment, longtime Hague critic Andy Wilcoxson wrote:

“Not even the tribunal could conceal the fact that it had convicted an innocent man. In paragraph 239 of the judgment they admit that: ‘Radislav Krstic and the Drina Corps under his command did not personally commit any crimes against the Bosnian Muslim civilians…the transfer of the Bosnian Muslim civilians organised by the Drina Corps was a disciplined and orderly operation, and that Krstic specifically ordered that no harm was to befall the Bosnian Muslim civilians….'”

In other words, the 20,000 women, children and elderly of Srebrenica whom the 28th Bosnian Army Division abandoned by order of Sarajevo (as part of the attempt to stage an atrocity that would bring in NATO) “were safely evacuated by Bosnian Serb troops, using trucks and buses hastily requisitioned from Serb civilians,” wrote Nebojsa Malic, proprietor of the libertarian blog “Gray Falcon.”

Further, UN military observers who were debriefed said that no evidence or reports of mass killings had been brought to them.

To get Krstic convicted, the forensics were apparently fudged, with forensics experts noting that the judgment made use of skeletons from graves dug years before, other dead from artillery ammunition or mine fragments, and a practice of double counting.

The case against Cvetkovic for the Pilica killings also seems more dubious, with journalists now questioning the testimony of the solitary witness on whose 1996 testimony the entire Srebrenica-massacre edifice rests.

Guardian and UK Daily Mail contributor John Laughland reported: “Deutsche Welle reporter Germinal Civikov …explains that the ICTY ruling that genocide was committed at Srebrenica…is based on the testimony of a single witness [ethnic Croat Drazen Erdemovic]…. The prisoners, he claimed, were shot in groups of 10. They were bussed in, taken off the busses, marched to the execution spot in a field several hundred metres away, frisked for their possessions, and shot. Arguments broke out between the executioners and the victims; the executioners drank and quarreled….[I]t is not possible to kill 1,200 people this way in 5 hours unless one assumes that each group of 10 men was killed in 2.5 minutes. Even if it had taken only 10 minutes to kill each group, itself an achievement, it would instead have taken some 20 hours to kill so many people…

“Erdemovic belonged to a mercenary unit….[which was offered–he ‘forgets‘ by whom] a lot of money (gold, in fact) to commit a war crime… The mercenaries then hijacked busses of prisoners which were on their way to be exchanged…and murdered them…[T]here were reports in Serbia of a rogue French secret service unit…. The West, it is implied, ‘neededa big atrocity at Srebrenica, and it was indeed immediately following the fall of that town…that NATO intervened.”

Then we arrive again at the unaccountable and secretive ICTY’s forensics problem. From Srebrenica Historical Project’s 2011 monograph Deconstruction of a Virtual Genocide:

“[N]o bodily injuries were found [in Pilica exhumations done in 1996]…there were no blindfolds or ligatures [indicating execution]…[T]he cause of death is impossible to determine, and that is precisely what the forensic scientists stated in their autopsy report. However, when they were obliged to state the manner of death, they nevertheless concluded that it was homicide… In the mass of defective autopsy reports, some indeed stand out….Tribunal forensic experts found a handkerchief in the victim’s pocket and they characterized it as a possible ligature…suggesting that…after the execution, [the executing soldiers] removed it and placed it in the pocket of the executed person…In another example a knee injury is treated as a possible cause of death.”

For its DNA results, the Tribunal relies on the International Commission for Missing Persons lab in Tuzla, Bosnia, but Karganovic describes how it misrepresents DNA evidence:

“On the 16th anniversary [in 2011] of the Srebrenica massacre ICMP claimed that it has ‘closed 5,564 cases of Srebrenica victims’ and that ‘only about 1,500 remain to be resolved.’ [But]…no exhaustive and transparent analysis of DNA evidence has ever been conducted.

“For instance, DNA evidence was offered in the most recent ICTY case Popović et al., but in closed session…The Tribunal’s rationale for such extraordinary restrictiveness was that public insight into this data would constitute a ‘callous’ act which might injure the dignity of the victims and could even inflict great pain on their surviving relatives…Each and every request to ICMP by private parties facing serious accusations or research organisations to be allowed access to DNA samples…is invariably met by the same polite response…

“In the course of the Popović trial it was disclosed that until October of 2007 ICMP was operating without professional certification from the international agency which approves DNA laboratories, Gednap…According to London Financial Times, 93% of ICMP personnel are Bosnian Muslims.”

Commenting on this judicial dystopia in August 2009, Hague analyst Wilcoxson wrote, “It’s a little bit shocking that the Tribunal relies on the ICMP’s findings to substantiate allegations as grave as genocide when they haven’t even seen the evidence — let alone tested its quality or reliability.” And in his contribution to the Deconstruction volume, Wilcoxson stressed that “ICMP is limited to determining the identity of human remains through DNA analysis….It does not make any determination about the cause of death, the circumstances of the death, the military status of the deceased, the deceased’s connection to Srebrenica or the motives of the people responsible.”

In an August 2011 article, Wilcoxson wrote, “Discrepancies have also been found between the ICMP’s findings and the original military records of the Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina. The ICMP claims to have found the mortal remains of at least 140 soldiers in Srebrenica-related mass graves whose original military records listed them as having been killed months, and in many cases years, before Srebrenica fell. The Bosnian government has resolved these discrepancies by…amending them to match the ICMP’s findings.”

Soldiers’ bodies from all over Bosnia have been moved to the Srebrenica memorial site. As well, among the “dead or missing” are people who are alive and well, as is apparent from this London Times article of Aug. 2, 1995, to name just one: “Thousands of the ‘missing’ Bosnian Muslim soldiers from Srebrenica who have been at the centre of reports of possible mass executions by the Serbs, are believed to be safe to the northeast of Tuzla…’without their families being informed’…it had not been possible to verify the reports because the Bosnian Government refused to allow the Red Cross into the area.”

Meanwhile, the “needed atrocity” that Guardian writer John Laughland hinted at earlier is something being looked into by the Dutch, now that they may have to pay large indemnities over a questionable number of victims to litigious groups like Mothers of Srebrenica–for their UN troops not protecting the Muslim enclave-cum-military-base. In fact, on July 11, 2011, the 16th anniversary of the celebrated “genocide,” a rather heretical text was published on a prominent Dutch news portal, examining the staged aspects of Srebrenica.

The Jewish State shouldn’t buy into the political concoction of “genocide” either, and should stand up for Citizen Cvetkovic–or set a dangerous precedent for its own military.

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  • Pro-Israel

    Serbs slaughtered Jews in WW2. Serbia was the first Nazi puppet state to declare itself Judenfrei. Fascists in WW2, and fascists in 1990s.

    Who was fascist around Srebrenica. Serbs and nobody else. Three years before the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, Serbs destroyed 296 Bosniak villages and killed at least 3,166 Bosniaks (Muslims) around Srebrenica.

    • Adam

      That is total nonsense. The Croats and Muslims rounded up both Jews and Serbs and sent them to be murdered. Serbia was under direct Nazi occupation, not a puppet regime like Croatia.

      • Anthony

        Serbia was under the leadership of Milan Nedic 1941-45. Nedic supported Hitler and met with him in 1943. This new government immediately established three concentration camps for Jews, Gypsies and others. Nedic formed his own paramilitary storm troops known as the State Guard.

        When Yugoslavia disintegrated, one faction of cetniks swore allegiance to the new Serbian Nazi government. Another group remained under the pre-war leader Kosta Pecanac who openly collaborated with the Germans. A third Cetnik faction followed the Serbian Fascist Dimitrije Ljotic. Ljotic’s units were primarily responsible for tracking down Jews, Gypsies and Partisans for execution or deportation to concentration camps.

  • Owen

    Julia Gorin’s opinion on Srebrenica is rather like the odour of the durian fruiting in the depths of the Malaysian rainforest. The difference is that Gorin’s sour pungence lacks the real-world integrity of the durian.

  • Spread the truth about Srebrenica:

    • Three years before the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, Serbs destroyed 296 Bosniak villages and killed at least 3,166 Bosniaks (Muslims) around Srebrenica.

      In 1993, the UN described the situation in Srebrenica as a “slow-motion process of genocide.”

      Then in July 1995, Serbs forcibly expelled 25,000 Bosniaks, brutally raped many women and girls, and systematically killed 8,000+ men and boys.

      Serb forces “targeted for extinction the 40,000 Bosnian Muslims living in Srebrenica.” – Judge Theodor Meron [Holocaust survivor], Krstic Appeal judgement.

      • Nobody says what happened wasn’t terrible – except yourself. If you cared about victims, you would acknowledge Serbian victims around and inside Srebrenica, instead of omitting them systematically. If you cared about crimes, you would blame Srebrenica Muslim forces and Naser Oric. If you cared about genocide, you would remember the extermination of a million Serbs and Jews in WWII and the complicity of many Bosniaks who joined the Ustasha. You would allow those victims of Holocaust the right to discuss the novel use of the term “genocide”. Your arguments that the question has been closed is misleading, because Hague never pretended to define what genocide is and what it isn’t. So let me ask you openly: why do you call the killing of thousands of Bosniaks a genocide, unlike the killing of thousands of Serbs?

        • Charles, you failed to acknowledge the following fact that occurred THREE YEARS BEFORE the 1995 Srebrenica massacre. Let me type it again:

          Three years before the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, Serbs destroyed 296 Bosniak villages and killed at least 3,166 Bosniaks (Muslims) around Srebrenica.

          I am pro-Israel, pro-Jewish, and anti-Genocide denial Do you have problem with that?

          • Enough

            Gee, “Pro-Israel”, your “Pro-Jewish” sincerity is really palpable…! I look forward to your “pro-Jewish” comments on articles that are *not* related to shilling Islamic supremacist anti-Serb propaganda… I’m sure you must do plenty of that, being as you are so “Pro-Jewish” and it’s all just complete coincidence that you ended up here selling lies made up to advance the territorial agenda of the descendants of Bosnian Muslim Nazis…

          • eric

            I’am notso sure they are decendents of Bosinian muslim NAZIs , they could still be bosinian muslim national socialists . or modern day NATO supporters which are turning out to be pretty much NAZI

          • I should look into that data, but I’m saddened by all the victims, regardless of their nationality or number.

            I cannot agree that you are pro-Israel, pro-Jewish, or anti-Genocide denial. The website you were quoting above is full of articles denying the Holocaust at Jasenovac.

            You don’t seem to care about human values at all, nor about plain good manners, as proven by your refusal to answer to any of my arguments.

            You just keep on spreading the propaganda of your side, as if the war wasn’t over and words were bullets. Bam bam – victims – bam bam – crimes – bam bam – genocide.

            But the war IS over, and we need to put some sense back into those important words and start to communicate.

      • Your number are ridiculous. What’s the name of the film?

      • eric

        How many Muslims did the Serbs expell from srebrinca and the surrounding area . It is hard to expell people from their homes 3100 might not be a lot of deaths if you are expelling a 100,000 people . I know expelling people is terrible , but I think the Muslims started expelling Serbs first. The Serbs did not want to leave Yugoslavia .

      • ERIC

        Pro Israel your numbers for muslims killed around Srebrina soiund a lot like what I often discovered happend in the war . You muslims committed crimes and even take pictures . Than change the victims to muslims ,crimes done by Serbs. I’am not saying your wrong , but your numbers match what Oric did around Srebinica.


    I offer the following information:

    The Hague’s kangaroo court was described by Thomas Fleming, Editor of Chronicles magazine in July of 1996, thusly:

    “Holland has a dirty little secret. In the North Sea resort of Scheveningen, there is a prison where you can indefinitely incarcerated without trial, or where you can be delivered on the orders of an ad hoc ‘court’ that sometimes issues warrants only after politically motivated arrests have been made . . . The creation of the Tribunal, three years ago, was sought by the Clinton administration and its allies in the Islamic world for purely political reasons, as yet another tool of pressuring and punishing the Serbs.”


    Following are excerpts from an interview with the Dutch publication, De Standaard on 16 October 1995 by Axel Buyse in Banja Luca: “Radovan Karadzic Sees NATO as a Monster From the Cold War” that give some insight into the mind of this hunted man. (It should be noted that Karadzic was one of the few leaders of the various parts of the former Yugoslavia without a communist past).

    “So much suffering has not been seen in the world since the suffering of Jesus Christ! We are being crucified. Even though we are literally only defending our homes. We were labeled the aggressor, as if we came from the Serb republic. We who have lived here since time immemorial. We are the oldest population group in this country. The Muslims were Serbs once. How can we be aggressors in our own country?

    “We have been crucified by the entire world. By great powers. By the EU. And then punished again by NATO. We cannot fight against NATO. We Serbs have fought in many wars. But we have never provoked one.

    “This war is an example of what modern media and governments can do. They can arrange anything. Put on a show so that their people believe anything. While watching their television pictures or their radios sometimes I myself almost came to the conclusion: We Serbs, we are real swine. They could put their stories together that well. But one day the world will understand. In the two world wars we fought with Americans, and the French. On each occasion the Croats were on the German side. And they would do the same again.

    • While genocide deniers have hijacked this threat in commenting, I would like to announce that Jews and Bosnian Muslims are throwing a part to commemorate 500 years of Friendship:

      • correction “threaD in commenting” and “throwing a partY”

      • Enough

        Said the spider to the fly

        • Spider to the fly, indeed. Anyone can say he or she is pro-Israel and pro-Jewish; but if he’s defending jihadists (which Bosnia including Srebrenica was crawling with), and is claiming an alleged massacre of 8,000 soldiers is “genocide” on par with the Shoah, he’s as pro-Jewish as Ahmadinejad.

          Especially if one considers that this “Bosniak-Jewish friendship” page pretty much only regurgitates the Serbs-as-real-WWII-Jew-killers-and-Croats&Bosniaks-as-saviors propaganda. (So how did 80% of unoccupied Croatia’s Jews die?)

          • Mosnik

            Julia Gorin
            This is an incredibly sickening article. In its form it is nothing but a collection of links to pamphlets and serbophill propagandist outlets. You could have chosen many Serbian sources with much more authority but those don’t suit you as they tell diametrically different story. The content of your article defies the logic time after time and shows deep ignorance and luck of any insight. It is just too many points to comment on them all so I will limit myself on a few:

            The warring side, not the ethnicity as such, that is “disproportionately targeted by the ICTFY “(the Serbs) is because it committed disproportionate number of crimes. Krstic was not sentenced because he personally killed anyone but because he, as commander, was responsible for the civilian population and the POW of the town he occupied and therefore knew or should have known that atrocities were taken place but failed to prevent it or sanction the perpetrators. Krstic, you inform us through your sources, “specifically ordered that no harm was to befall Bosnian Muslim civilians” and that “20,000 were safely evacuated…” implying that no crime was committed. The “evacuation” was, in fact, forced displacement, an act of crime itself and in case of the same ethnicity (as it happened here) a deed amounting to genocide (how safe this “evacuation” was, you can find out on youtube for yourself). Still, it was not those 20,000 that were main concern for ICTFY but the 8000 men and boys that never arrived (you can see what happened to some sixteen years old here , see from 2:40, -I warn you it’s a disturbing viewing). You seem to question The Hague’s conclusion that they were executed despite discoveries of the mass graves; suggesting that, apparently, there is no sufficient evidence that this was homicide- you stopped disgustingly short of conclusion on mass suicide.

            You claim that bodies of soldiers all over Bosnia were moved to the Srebrenica memorial site in an attempt to increase the number of “alleged” victims. You support this claim by falsifying the nature of an article written in August 1995, just three weeks after Srebrenica massacres, which tell us that some who have thought dead or missing have arrived alive. This article was written in the midst of confusion while many from Srebrenica embarked on perilous journey over the mountains to reach the Bosnian Army territory while haunted down by Serbian forces like wild animals. Many didn’t make it and in some cases it took months to reach the safety and, naturally, they were considered missing or presumed dead-the Srebrenica monument was built years after the war. The case with “moved bodies” was, in fact, a proven, documented affair, a morbid act of victim numbers game by Serb’s Office for Missing Persons in order to inflate the number of Serbs killed around Srebrenica in which they listed names of Serb soldiers, originating from the area, who died in battles not only across Bosnia but also in Croatia, and were brought and buried at their hometowns (Bratunac, for instance).
            Srebrenica was an enclave completely surrounded by Serbian forces. In July 1995, people in Srebrenica, most of them ordinary peasants from remote mountains across eastern Bosnia, were already refugees for three years. Some 40,000 of them hurdled in this small town whose pre-war population was less than 10,000 were living in hell; no electricity, no clean water, food, medicine … and under constant shelling and attacks from Serbian forces- conditions not incomparable to any concentration camp in WWII. Those were the people; the men, women, children, little boys and girls whom, in your comment above, you call jihadists and compare to insects (crawling).

            You seem to set up to resolve three main things in your article; first that there was no genocide, second that there was no mass execution in Srebrenica or indeed any crime committed by Serbian forces and third that Cvetkovic cannot possibly be guilty. The first thing, which admittedly, depended on complicated legal definitions and judicial arguments, has already been resolved in the Hague and, it is official- there was a genocide in Bosnia (not on the scale of the holocaust but genocide nevertheless). Srebrenica massacres were the main reason for the decision on genocide and therefore that too cannot be denied by anyone at all reasonable. On the third thing -Cvetkovic -whom you want your readers to believe to be an angel, a righteous man who, perhaps, gave those Muslims what they deserve -who cares? I can tell that he will be extradited and he will go on trial. The Israel cannot wait to get rid of him and these delays and ridiculous requests for “assurances” are normal procedures. The man is a murderer and a war criminal and there are many witnesses to this, yet you appear to think that he should not answer for his crimes as you cannot see any crimes at all.

            Your cynical views on Sarajevo court are just one more instance of your ignorance. There are many criminals from the Bosnian war that passed through this court (Serb, Croats and Bosniaks alike) and served or still serve their sentences in Bosnian prisons. None have their throats cut.

            You should not write about things you have no idea about. Julia Gorin, you do not know a first thing about Srebrenica or Bosnia. Your article is just a badly written, easily see-through piece of propagandist rubbish. Surely, you don’t expect that anyone changes his/her view on Bosnia after reading this article?

            By the way, just like in Austria with holocaust, it is a crime to deny Bosnian genocide in some countries. If you are to go in Canada, for example, you would be arrested or refused entry if this article comes to the attention of the authorities. The same law is soon to be introduced in France and some other European countries. This may not bother you as you may not be a travelling person…still.

  • It is awful to read someone is using the nickname ‘Bosnian Genocide’ to comment any event in Bosnian war. That speaks much about the real person that is hiding behind such nickname. Bravo for Julisa Gorin – always good analyses, with mountains of real informations and prooves, and without repeating ‘general places’ and lies we heard so many times. I have something to add for the readers of this article, and authors of comments. My neighbour from students dormitory, a girl named Jelena, is from Srebrenica. While she was in belgrade when the war started, her parents stayed in town, without any chance to leave it. Last time she heard them or any info on them was in December 1992. Jelena had to wait her aqcuintance from Srebrenica to get out of the town. It was an Serbian woman married to Muslim man. He peyed with life to stay in marriage with his spouse and save them from teh hell. They left Srebrenica thanks to Red Cross and UN, and came to Serbia in December 1993. And then, Jelena had to listen how her parents died (she already knew they are dead, and tryed to prepare for final info). Nothing could make her ready for the story she had to listen – and she couldn’t listen it until the end, because she lost conscious. The old couple was slained into pieces, after they were brutally raped by 20 people. This torture lasted for a while, they were not killed immidiately after the reape. All was done in the same manner as in World War two, when Croatian fascists ‘ustasha’, and their allies, parts of Bosnian Muslims, had committed the only real genocide in the Balkans in 20 century, over mostly Serbs, than Jews and Romas in so called INdependent State of Croatia(Jews in Serbia were ‘exclusive’ task of German occupation authorities, which, let’s remember that, had legally implemented sever punishments over Serbs that raised against Germans, which meant shootings 100 Serbs for every dead German solidier, and 50 for wounded German). Not even occupational Government of general Milan Nedic couldn’t intervene into ‘politics’ of Germans toward Jews (it was useless and dangerouse). But in psite the fact that Serbs were fighting against fascist invader in two movements – chetniks of general Draza Mihailovic and Tito’s partisans – and to survive genocide they were exposed to, they were still giving their best to save their own Jews. I think Jewish people should know better the history of holocaust. But let me back to main story: Forensic department in Tuzla after 16 years couldn’t complete the investigation on attoricities, I know that because I saw forensic reports, because I am reporter, too. All they have are DNA and DNA proves only someone’s identity, not the way this person died. Also, on only 442 corps were found some elements that can be used as prooves of the ‘massacre theory’. At least 100 muslim citizens of Srebrenica, whos names are in Potocari, in recent years had informed the pubicity they are alive. Most of thema re living far from Bosnia. As a reporter I had opportunity to meat medic stuff in Milici, who had official order to receive wounded Muslims and take care for their health and they did it. So, if anyone wanted to committe ‘genocide’ (although even legally none can say for Srebrenica this, because there were no killed sexually adult women capable to give birth new babies, and kids, contrary to the crimes committed by Srebrenica Muslims udner command of Naser Oric in nearby serbian villages and towns) why the medics had order to heal them and take care of them? Finally, but not least important – there was Srebrenica before Srebrenica. Muslim Army in that town is reponsible for more than 3200 lives in surrounding serbian settlements, and the way they killed their neighbours was awfull -those who got the bullet and died immidiately, were saved! Do I have to put here the pictures of these victims for whom none including the New Yors rabby would come from abroad to grief? So I could show the world what these ‘innocent victims’from Srebrenica really did? Those who are mentioning burnt villages should remember what the ARmy of Bosnian Muslism was planning to do in the same area, how did Sefer Halilovic, Muslim general who was released by ICTY in Hague as ‘innocent’ (My God!!!) ordered to Naser Oric not to leave anyone alive?! I have that record!!! It seems the only these ‘Bosnian Genocides’ and tehr est are truely sorry is simple fact that Serbs didn’t want to sit and wait on their ‘brothers’ to repeat same horror they did once. Because, my dear ‘Bosnian Genocide’, when You plan to kill someone, and this person get that information, You can’t expect from her not to respond. IN anyway, all this is awfull. And maybe the worst is the cynism of Bosnian Muslims and Western powers when they are giving their best to make genocide there where it never happend, contrary to real hell on Earth in 1994 – Rwanda. This is extremely high disrespect of the victims of Rwanda. Shame on, all ‘Srebrenica-genocide-theory supporters’! Bravo Julisa Gorin!

    • With due respect, but who cares what genocide denier and Serbian war apologist Julia Gorin thinks, writes or says?

  • Alex

    Thank you, Julia, for standing up to the liars and bullies. This must be costing you a great deal but your struggle is paying off. The truth is slowly emerging thanks in no small measure to your courage and persistence.

    • Yes, the truth is emerging, and the truth is that Serb forces committed genocide at Srebrenica as repeatedly concluded in the International courts. Jewish judges (holocaust survivors) presided over Srebrenica judgments.

      • Enough

        Yes, (not)Pro-Israel, getting one (or more!) gullible Jew to buy your Islamic supremacist lie is hard evidence that all of us are retarded enough to side with you

      • Reuben C

        Actually the ICJ ruled that Serbia was NOT GUILTY of genocide. This pro-Israel Muslim fundamentalist is trying to sell a story that has not basis in reality. Do you think Jews don’t know who killed them and who protected them in WW2? You are clearly demonstrating what we in psychology call Projection it is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people, in this case the Serbs. Before 1995 ther was no Serbian destruction of Muslim towns there was however 3500 Serbs killed by Oric’s forces. Serbs were reacting not acting.And while I agree there were a few hundred summary executions by the VRS against Mujahedeen terrorists flown in from the Arab world there was no genocide, in fact to call it genocide is to disrespect the Jewish and Serb victims of the holocaust. You think by using the title pro-Israel ignorant Jews are going to support your hateful views? You don’t know Jews very well at all then, give us more credit. The more you go on about Serbs this and Serbs that , the more I see you hiding your hatred.You are no pro-Israel because you are pro Muslim terrorism.

    • eric

      All who love truth love Julia Gorin , those that love lies hate her

  • “It’s refreshing to see even one dissenting, non-uniform perspective on an issue that gets no attention, and zero debate in this country. As a concerned Israel-watcher, I know we haven’t been given the straight story on the Serbs either, since our leaders chose to side us with the bin Laden-assisted jihad element in Bosnia and Kosovo, as well as unrepentant fascist holdovers from WWII in the form of Croatians.”

  • It is most strange that certain commens are signed under false names and express the unhealthy propaganda just in order to demonize Serbs.

    • Nobody has demonized you; but you have demonized yourself with all the evil that you perpetrated over Bosnian Muslim people in World War II and during the 1992-95 Bosnian Genocide.

      • Enough

        Hmmm… Yes, (not)Pro-Israel, the Serbs NOT siding with the Nazis was terribly, er, demonic… I’ll keep comment that in mind when I read about the “Bosnian Genocide”

  • John-Peter Maher

    “Massacre of 8000 Muslim men and boys” is a hoax.Beats the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. When did commentators first start using the formulation, the catch phrase, “The Srebrenica Massacre [of x-thousands of Muslim men and boys]”? When did the “Srebrenica Massacre” story break? No reports from 10 July 1995 and the immediately ensuing days and weeks ever refer to “the massacre of 8000 (or 7000 etc) Muslim men and boys”.
    FROM Iran, no mention of a massacre having taken place:
    “Iranian foreign minister [Velayati], in a message to the UN secretary-general, has asked for immediate action to prevent a massacre of the defenceless people of Srebrenica by the Serb rebels. SOURCE: Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1, Tehran, in Persian 0930 gmt 11 Jul 95; Source: Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1, Tehran, in Persian 0930 gmt 11 Jul 95; SECTION: Part 4 Middle East; THE MIDDLE EAST; IRAN; ME/2353/MED. Message to UN secretary-general. Text of report by Iranian TV on 11th July.
    From the front, no mention of a massacre having taken place:
    Reports from the front in mid-July 1995, e.g. Chris Hedges in the New York Times of 18 July 1995, reported that thousands of armed Muslim fighters “slipped” through Serb lines under fire and arriving safe in Tuzla, held by Muslim forces (and a US garrison).
    The lag time between as yet unbaptized “Srebrenica Massacre” on 10-11 July 1995 and the first press reports is over a month. David Rohde, who spearheaded the story that became known as “the Srebrenica Massacre”, did not himself use any such phrase or make such a claim. In his story, in the Guardian of 19 August 19 1995 we find “…I saw what appeared to be a decomposing human leg protruding from freshly turned dirt…” He repeated Albright’s fabrication about a massacre in a soccer stadium in a nearby town, [where] human faeces, blood, and other evidence indicated large numbers of people were confined, and perhaps shot.” Also: “United Nations official estimate that 4,000 to 6,000 Muslim men are still missing in the wake of the Srebrenica and Zepa assaults.”
    Zbigniew Brzezinski:
    The news would have still been hot when Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote an Op-Ed piece in “The New Republic” of 7 August 1995, under the headline: AFTER SREBRENICA. Zbig Brzezinski says only that something awful “might” happen.
    Nowhere does Brzezinski mention a “Srebrenica massacre”. That catch phrase does not appear until weeks after the alleged event. It will not be found in the press until the American-sponsored Croatian “Storm” (Oluja) on Serb Krajina in August-September 1995.
    (In)Consistency: Madeleine Korbel Albright, whose “Albright Group” now has the franchise for the cell phone business in Kosovo, brought the earliest allegation of a Serb massacre of Muslims on August 11, 1995. The chief United States delegate to the United Nations told a closed session of the Security Council that 2,000 to 2,700 missing Bosnians from the Srebrenica enclave might have been shot by the Bosnian Serbs.- She did not use the formulation “Srebrenica massacre.”
    So, the numbers in Albright’s document and subsequent tellings and re-tellings are not consistent. What this implies we know from the Book of Daniel, chapter 13, where Susanna is denounced by corrupt Elders. Since their testimonies were inconsistent, as Daniel showed by “debriefing” the corrupt judges separately, the judges were condemned for bearing false witness.

    LEXIS-NEXIS searches now permit us to track down press reports on whatever story. Readers can see for themselves what results turn up in searches dated between 10 July 1995 and the beginning of October 1995, using parameters such as
    (Srebrenica AND massacre)
    (Srebrenica AND missing)
    Srebrenica AND 7000 OR 8000)
    (7000-8000 men and boys)
    (Koranically, once boys attain the age of fifteen, they are “warriors” for Islam.)
    Remember boy bombers in Israel. Did the Srebrenica Massacre” happen? Draw your own conclusions. Remember the “Jenin Massacre” in the world press’ satanization of Israel?

  • MunichGuy

    Julia Gorin,

    you´re putting yourself on the same level as other genocide-deniers, achmedinidschad and company.

    You´re denying the judjement of two international courts (from christian europe), showing us sources from blogs, people with no and bad reputation, wild theories, etc.

    Just because the victims are muslims? This is a shame for every good person, no matter if muslim, serb, jewish, bosnian, etc.

    ask yourself why srebrenica was already full of tenthousands hungry refugees, survived an aggression just because they share a religion, before one single serbian-held village from where the siege of srebrenica was organized, was attacked, what happened in hundreds of villages in complete eastern bosnia in April-May 1992, in so many cities whitnessed by hundreds of international officials and journalists? maybe you can ask slavko and ivo goldstein, jewish historians from yugoslavia what happened there if you dont trust muslims.

    at the moment you are on a very dark side.

    • First I would inform the others readers that Ivo Goldstein a “Jewish historian” lives in Zagreb, in Croatia, and therefore he supports the government politics. Recently he participated on the Serbian TV about the role od Serbian general Draza Mihajlovic during the WWII.He declared that the general was collaborating with German Nazis, while he refused to qualify Ante Pavelic the fascist leader of Croatia during the WWII as a war criminal, even knowing that Croats omitted the genocide against Jews in the concentration camp of Jasenovac. SEcondly, those who visited Srebrenica , Potocari and Bratunac could see that all Serbian villages were completely burned and destroyed.”Trusting international journalists” ? The one who made a famous photo of the “concentration camp of Omarska by placing herself behind a peace of barbed wire so that it looked like a Nazi camp? I know a couple of international journalists, high ranked officers and ambassadors who would confirm the contrary. Do they lie ?

    • MunichGuy, By saying that I’m putting myself on the level of those who deny genocide (such as, implicitly, the Holocaust), you have put the Srebrenica conflict on level with the Holocaust, which even Bosnian Muslims don’t do (one named Emir Suljagic was just quoted in London Jewish Chronicle on Aug. 2, saying one can’t be compared to the other). Even if someone buys the prepackaged version that “8,000 Muslim men and boys were ‘executed’ by Serbs in Europe’s Worst Atrocity since WWII,” denying it still doesn’t put a person on the level of a Holocaust denier. And of course that’s not even what happened, it’s what we’re told to believe happened, by very invested interests.

      And please don’t quote back to me from “two international courts” when we both know that you don’t have even the first idea of how these “courts” arrive at their “rulings.” At The Hague, the evidence is the verdict itself, and here you are citing it back to me, who has seen how the evidence is selected, ignored, manipulated, coerced, embellished, tampered with, or shouted down–every method that would never be tolerated in even the smallest, most provincial town in the “democracies” that support this court. You’re funny to say “two” because we all know that the ICJ didn’t do its own Srebrenica investigation or trial, but simply adopted the ICTY’s verdict on it. How are you not embarrassed?

      Finally, you bring up Slavko and Ivo Goldstein. The commenter Dragan replied appropriately to you about them. I sometimes write about the ‘phenomenon’ of the Croatian Jew: it’s a lot of Croatian, and only a little Jew. Look at this news item from 2008. Ivo and Slavko were going to pay their respects to the dead Ustashas at the Bleiburg memorial!! The only thing that gave them pause was the outrage from fellow Jews:

      Jews Condemn Visit to Croatia Nazi Memorial
      (Balkan Insight, 26 Aug. 2008)

      Zagreb – A planned trip by Croatia’s opposition leader and two prominent Jewish intellectuals to a site where thousands of Nazi sympathisers were killed has been condemned by Jewish groups.

      The intention of Zoran Milanovic, the president of the opposition Social Democratic Party, and Slavko and Ivo Goldstein to visit Bleiburg is stirring controversy among Croatia’s Jews.

      Bleiburg in Austria is where the Yugoslav communist army killed thousands of Nazi-collaborators, or Ustasha, among them also civilians, at the end of the Second World War in 1945.

      The Croatian Government sponsors and takes part in the annual commemoration of this event, but so far the left-wing opposition has persistently complained about the glorification of the Ustasha regime that regularly happens there.

      Milanovic and the Goldsteins’ announcement has led to confusion about their motives.

      It is believed to be an attempt to force the Catholic Church to start taking part in the commemoration of the Ustashas’ victims at the Jasenovac concentration camp. So far the Church’s top body has never sent any of their official representatives to Jasenovac.

      Bet Israel, a Croatian Jewish organisation, publicly criticised historian Ivo Goldstein, its founder and president, for his intention to attend the controversial event.

      According to the Novi list daily, the dispute culminated on Monday during the Bejahad festival of Jewish culture in Opatija, when Ivo Goldstein did not attend the promotion of a [book] called Raid by Aleksandar Veljic, a writer from Novi Sad.

      Earlier Veljic requested the promotion of his book to be taken off the festival programme because of Goldstein’s plans.

      Members of Bet Israel expressed hope that the Goldsteins would give up on their plan to visit Bleiburg.

      According to the media, senior Social Democrat party leaders are also not happy with Milonovic’s plans.

      Croatia’s President Stjepan Mesic has also expressed his disapproval and said “historians should finally establish the facts about Bleiburg so that it would stop being a subject of manipulation.”


      It is notable that so few Bosnian and Croatian Jews spoke out against the anti-Serb hysteria that took place in their countries in 1991/2-5. Ivo
      Goldstein in Zagreb even went so far as to blame the Croatian Serbs for wanting “Greater Serbia” and for their own misery, and engaged in Jasenovac
      minimization. He must know that the attitude of the Independent State of Croatia was no better towards Serbs than towards Jews in WWII, so how can he
      so flippantly dismiss the grievances and fears of either community? The “Jewish voice” too is capable of
      sacrificing truths for convenience when placed
      under pressure. Goldstein knows that if he told the truth he’d be run out of Zagreb. Alternatively, he really believes the nonsense he spouts, which demonstrates the power of propaganda.

      • MunichGuy’s comparison is valid. Holocaust was a series of genocides committed against Jewish people. Srebrenica was 1 genocide committed against Bosniak people. However, in World War II, the Serbs (who collaborated with Italian fascists and German nazis) killed 100,000 Bosnian Muslims and tens of thousands of Jews. Nazi-puppet state of Serbia was the first country in Europe to declare itself “Judenfrei”.

        And let’s face it Julia Gorin — you don’t have any expertise in the international law, you’re just a blogger. Your opinion is cheap. Plus you are self-confessed Serbian propagandist. Sorry, but you have no credibility.

        • Hmm, I have no credibility but you don’t say the same for your ideological colleagues here–“Bosnian Genocide” and “Ibrakowski”–despite the second name being made up and probably belonging to the same poster. (“David Ibrakowski” answers a comment with “aferim,” which if I’m not wrong is Turkish? In addition to the fact that “ibrak” means coffee pot in Turkish and Bosniaks often use ‘Ibra’ or ‘Ibrica’ for Ibrahim. But you know all this.)

          Ah yes, somehow the unpaid, non-Serb Julia Gorin is the propagandist, but you “Pro-Israel”–proprietor of the “Bosniak and Jewish Friendship” propaganda site, who trolls looking for rare dialogue on the issue, and jumped on this one with no fewer than 8 comments–are *NOT* the propagandist?

          Your last desperate tactic is to bring up “expertise in international law.” One requires little more than common sense to determine that executing Muslim soldiers just isn’t a genocide. Particularly after the women and children were bused to safety by the ‘genociders.’ In fact, any idiot can see that. (And this, of course, is based on buying into the “8000” figure and the “all were executed” line, which forensics don’t support.)

          Meanwhile, those who do have expertise in international law have had a hard time controlling their laughter at the farcical display of Orwellianism at The Hague. And legal experts have warned us about what’s in store for jurisprudence if the ICTY is an indicator. And it is.

        • Enough

          …Speaking of “Credibility” – I should point out what almost all readers probably know already: (not)”Pro-Israel”‘s statement about the Serbs allying with Axis are patently false. Serb royalists and Serb Communists both fought the Nazis.(For verification, obviously there is abundant documentation which I do not need to lay out here). It is worth bearing in mind that those who bring you the “Bosnian Genocide” narrative also, with disturbing regularity, bring you World War Two and Holocaust revision. It is no small irony that the vast majority of Bosnian Muslims who purvey this propaganda did ally with Hitler.

          • Thank you for bringing that up, Enough. In fact, “Pro-Israel’s” timing in starting in on the debunked anti-Chetnik propaganda again couldn’t be any worse for him, because just a day before this article ran, I had one on “Right Side News” demonstrating–in the WWII pilots’ own words, photos and footage–that the propaganda was a careful construction by The Allies based on commie misinformation, so they could justify backing the commie Tito over the freedom-fighter Mihailovich. ( mean, is he REALLY bringing up the Chetnik-Nazi-collaboration stuff? Do these people really think they can drift on that one for another half-century?

          • Thank you for bringing that up, Enough. In fact, “Pro-Israel’s” timing in starting in on the debunked anti-Chetnik propaganda again couldn’t be any worse for him, because just a day before this article ran, I had one on “Right Side News” demonstrating–in the WWII pilots’ own words, photos and footage–that the propaganda was a careful construction by The Allies based on commie misinformation, so they could justify backing the commie Tito over the freedom-fighter Mihailovich. ( ) I mean, is he REALLY bringing up the Chetnik-Nazi-collaboration stuff? Do these people really think they can drift on that one for another half-century?

    • MunichGuy: you´re putting yourself on the same level as other genocide-inventers.

      • …. while no credible University or scholarly piece will ever quote Alexander Dorin as a “credible” source on Srebrenica. Sorry sir, but you’re discredited genocide denier.

        • Alexander Dorin

          What’s the problem? I’m using international documents in my books.

          • Yes indeed, Alex. You use international documents, while “Pro-Israel”, “David Ibrakowski”, and “Bosnian Genocide” use anonymous handles.

            If they think having official credentials are necessary to have an opinion, or argue anything, then they ought to provide theirs. And that’s still operating on a logical fallacy–namely, appealing to authority, in this case a false authority like the The Hague.

            These are anonymous comment trolls and hecklers, who by the way work for the other team.

  • The critics of Julia Gorin’s excellent commentary rely on the tried and true canard applied to the Balkans of identifying the victims in terms of World War II analogues (Muslims = Jews, and Serbs = Nazi), and any objection or appeal to facts is “rubbish,” etc. What if those facile identifications — concocted by self-serving western governments seeking to polish their image with the Islamic world (good luck with that) — are contradicted by the facts? What if Srebrenica were indeed a base for Muslim attacks on Serbian civilians, or if the large majority of “massacred” Muslim men were combatants killed in hostilities, and indeed many of the “killed” are alive and well? Details, details, let’s not spoil the high-flown morality play with factual details. Let’s just get on with the Serb-lynching. I hope and trust that Israeli courts’ justice is better than that, and exceeds that of the Hague Tribunal. It isn’t a high bar to clear.

    • You forgot to mention Serb attacks on Muslim civilians, the widespread ethnic cleansing campaign that started in April of 1992, murder of over 3000 Bosnian Muslims around Srebrenica by Serb forces between April and June 1992 — and all this occurred more than 3 years before the Srebrenica genocide. You started it and you were aggressors. Serbs were not the victims, but Nazis.

      • Enough

        As has been mentioned, “Pro-Israel” is a troll, and as mentioned by Julia Gorin, his specific brand tripe is plentiful on comment boards. No, “Pro-Israel”, Nazis are the only ones who you are allowed to call “Nazis” [which in the case of the Balkans would be the (vast majority of) Bosnian Muslims (and Albanian Muslims and Croats) who allied with the actual Nazis] and Nazi victims are the only ones who are allowed to call “Nazi victims” [which in the case of the Balkans were the Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies]: You do not get to call anyone who you side against a “Nazi” and you do not get to call anyone you side with a “Nazi victim”. You do not get to throw these terms around willy-nilly in a place like Bosnia where World War Two is in the living memory every family. I do not know who you are doing this for, I do not understand why you think your Jewish audience is composed of complete morons, I do not understand why you think Jews owe Nazis’ children and grandchildren a damned thing…. Yes, my family is Serb and Jewish, I am angry not because I dislike you for ethnic reasons, but because I am fully aware that your ilk is selling complete crap. Enough said. Everybody go read more Julia Gorin. You can take what she says to the bank.

    • ERIC

      yOU MUST REMEMBER mUSLIMS TO WERE PROSECUTEED in International criminal court .I think they mean the court is run by international criminals . Fickret Abdic who actualy won the most votes for the 1st presidency of Bosnia is a muslim . He recieved a long prison sentence for being a muslim of peace and finally fighting on the Orthodox christian side against the nazi terrorists . What happend to Abdic perhaps explains the whole story of the breakup of Yugoslavia quicker than anything else . Nobody has ever lied this much and not been a nazi . NATO is just another word for NAZI . Now the world should know what we are up against again .

  • Liz

    Moments ago I read this article and noticed a few comments already.

    It’s unbelievable that there are still those who believe the self-serving propaganda that’s dished out by Washington, by NATO, and all of the ones who are beholden to the interests of that duo.

    Might I suggest that everyone do their own research, read many articles (this one by Julia Gorin included), both in the main media and in media that is not beholden to the interests of those whose intent is a beachhead in the Balkans.

    Seems to me that the person who commented, using the moniker ‘Bosnian Genocide’, thinks he or she has all of the answers. Far from it. FYI, the civil wars in Yugoslavia were not a black and white affair. It helps greatly to know 1940s history, to know who sided with the allies and who sided with the nazis, to know better what transpired in the 1990s.

    • Actually, I find it deplorable that you, Julia Gorin, Alexander Dorin, and other genocide deniers still live in the past.

  • elke blinick

    The Serbs committed war crimes and the Israelis generally speaking do not. I am sure there are some exceptions, but it is accidential or incidential whereas the Serbian atrocities were part of the stragegy.

    • Sounds like you’ve diligently read all the disinformation out there, placing you among the rest of the misinformed mobs, which on this subject is close to 100% of the world. Serb war crimes were not systematic, whereas Muslim leaders are on record as ordering them. And the Serb leadership led the way in prosecuting their own. (I can email you some links.)

      The Serbs get a similar rap to what the Israelis get, but the Israel issue was more out front, with more people paying attention and debating. Also, the Israelis, even with their late start in the image war, were better at fighting back the propaganda than the Serbs. You’re just repeating what you’ve heard over and over. From your mainstream media and governments. When a lie is repeated often enough and it’s big enough, it becomes the truth. Considering that you’re probably a fellow Jew, you shouldn’t be so gullible, even if the lie is about someone other than Jews. Shame.

  • David Ibrikowski

    It is sad that a leading Jewish paper would allow such rubbish to be posted. Your author Julia should visit the memorial center in Potočari in which the names of over 8372 people are listed- murdered by the likes of this Israeli “citizen”. I have no more to say as the previous post sums up all that deserves being said to the author and your publishing house.

    • Sir, you haven’t read the forensics reports and therefore can’t say how those 8372 people died. Even the forensics experts looking at the remains couldn’t say cause of death for the majority. Bosniaks themselves openly admit that fallen soldiers from all over Bosnia are buried at Potocari. IT WAS A WAR ZONE. Count up as many bodies as you want–you can do that for any war. Why are you believing your government’s pre-examination propaganda that these deaths had to be the result of executions? Similarly, when the Kosovo countryside was littered with corpses killed by the KLA, this too was attributed to Serbs. Of course it was–bodies were needed to justify the West’s untenable position in the Balkan wars. You really need to read “Media Cleansing, Dirty Reporting: Journalism and Tragedy in Yugoslavia.” Or you can keep embarrassing yourself. And staying deluded about Bosnia, which even the very self-censored 9/11 Report admitted was the recruiting sergeant that globalized al Qaeda. Be warned that Islamic gratitude for useful idiocy doesn’t last long.

      • The international court has spoken, and “distorted forensics” by Stephen Karganovic and other genocide deniers “do NOT count.”

        • ERIC

          nato AND THE

          Nato and the nazi liars have spoken , they are bing codradicted here in a small way . Next they will be confronted in bigger and bigger ways .Only the Lord knows how or when .

          Nato and the nazi liars have spo

    • John-Peter Maher


    • In 2003, I went to Bratunac, Potocari and Srebrenica with my wife who is French in order to show that there is more propaganda then the truth. The Potcari memorial was to be opened two months later, and was guarded by two policemen.One of them was Croat. As he heard us speaking French,and was sure that we were French, First thing he told us was the story of Srebrenica. He told us that at the memorial were burried 1100 victoms from all the Bosnia. SEcond thing he told us was that when the Serbian general Ratko Mladic asked the Muslim authorities to release Serbs they held, he learnt that they were all killed by Naser Oric. They were 1200 Serbian civilians, mostly elderly man and women. On July 13 1995 the TV channel Euronews diffuse the documentary of fall of Srebrenica, interviewing the Bosnian soldier who was interrupted by another soldier telling him ” do not say anything to journalists”. This document is not any more available on the channel’s site, probably because the interviewed soldier said that the mujaheddin would not allow the withdrawal to Bosnain soldiers who were surrounded by the Serbian forces. Some 200 of Bosnian soldiers crossed Drina river and surendered to the Serbian authorities in Serbia and were sent back to Bosnia a couple of months later. THose who compare Srebrenica to German Nazis genocide of Jews during WWII should make a difference betweeen those two events.

    • You’re talking about 8372 faked names.

      • The power of denial is best seen in extremist genocide deniers like Alexander Dorin and Julia Gorin. Both of you are just bloggers, with no real life or credentials.

        • Alexander Dorin

          And you’re simply an extremist genocide inventer.

  • BosnianGenocide

    I guess in your opinion the Nuremberg trials were biased because the overwhelming number of those prosecuted and sentenced for war crimes were German. Where were the Poles, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Russians, Serbs and others who committed war crimes and killed German officials, and Roma, and Jewish civilians? The fact that Serbia under Milosevic was the financial, military, and ideological center for Serb fascism that resulted in four wars and genocide against the Bosnian people does seem to matter to you since somehow in your opinion everyone should be equally guilty in order for the Serbs not be guilty regardless of what evidence collected over 20 years says. By your logic every war and genocide should be treated as an engagement between equally guilty parties no matter how many more crimes one party commits then the other or which party starts the conflict. Does the fact that Jewish resistance fighters killed German officials in the Warsaw uprising make them as guilty of war crimes as the Germans who killed Jewish civilians? Are Tutsis equally to blame as the Hutus? This article simply wants to prevent war criminals from facing justice by allowing them to hide behind their ethnicity. Not all Serbs are war criminals but all evidence points to the fact that Mr. Cvetkovic was involved in war crimes and genocide and that he should be brought to justice. Let him be tried for the crimes he is alleged to have committed so that justice can be served.

    • David Ibrikowski


      Well said.

    • John-Peter Maher

      You have no personal nor credible documentary evidence. It’s Jenin all over again.

    • Betty

      You cannot and should not compare the Holocaust to what happened in Bosnia. They are not the same. From what I understand, the conflict in Bosnia was a civil war between two peoples of the same ethnicity just different religions. What happened to the Jews was completely different and happened to men women and children, not just men. It sounds like you’re hiding some kind of delusion that no Bosnian Islamist men were fighting in the war. In fact almost all of them were.

      • I will add a couple of words concerning Bosnian Islamists.One of my employees who served as a French corporal within UN forces in Bosnia, told me later on that there was a great number of jihadist from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Algeria and Qatarin what was called 108 motorized brigadein the region of Srebrenica and Zvornik. There were also some Western “volunteers”, from the Western countries who fought along with those Muslims. Brother of a friend of mine was killed while he was fighting Serbs near Tuzla.Many of them wrote and published books about how they were killing Serbs, civilians women and children.
        Who is going to judge them? Certain Jacky Nicolai wrote that he went to fight in Bosnia to kill Serbs for fun. He is free and is considered as a “freedom fighter”.So who is Nazi?

    • Charles Hamdoune

      If BosnianGenocide is a true name, it stands for the controversial website whose respect for victims is selective. Namely: the murder of thousands of Muslims is a genocide and nothing less, while the the murder of thousands of Serb in the same war, in the same region, is omitted, deflated or denied. Moreover, the website posts opinions of Naser Oric, the commander of Muslim forces responsible for the attacks against Serbs which claimed 3267 lives, and cleansed 55 out of 59 Serbian villages in the Srebrenica municipality. The brutality of the attacks was such that many victims, including women, the elderly and even children were tortured before being killed.

    • The Nuremberg tribunal has nothing to do with the NATO court in the Hague.

    • eric

      I have sat through one of these war criminals trails and after 54,000 pages of testimony . I came to the conclusion the worste criminals were sitting in the judges chairs . Even after the prosecution dropped the main charge of participation in a criminal enterprize . The Judges thought maybe they could get some other charges to stick . It is hard to do but sit a few months in one of these trails . It becomes relatively easy to spot the manipulators . NATO even had the gual to ask for imunity for crimes committed by them . Wesley Clark could not answer one question unless the question could be run through some office in the United States first . The Hague court is either guilty of murdering many Top Serb leaders or is the most unlucky prison in the world .It took the Hugue prison doctors 3 months to notify Milosevic they had discovered a strong poison in his blood . He died about 10 days latter from purely natural cuases . Milosevic would have been having the best time of his life if he had not been so sick . Milsovics wittnesses were German French and Canadian generals fighting against the Serbs testifying to the truth of various encounters and crimes . The courtroom atmosphere was devastating for prosecution . I recall the prosecution and the Judges asking I believe 1 German general, is there any possibility you could be mistaken ? No the general said there is no possibility , WHY ? becuase I had over 1200 observers and they all reported the same thing . Milosevic played with the prosecutions wittnesses and after a day or two he invaribley cuaght them in enough falsehoods that their entire tetimoney was worthless. often they knew they were cuaght in lies and just said they would not answerfor milosevic . The judges sometimes said they had to give a answer or at least say the don’t know . After several yrs of Milosevic winning almost evrey encounter . The talk of the court was they will have to let him go , but others said the Hague court will not be able to do that . No question in my mind the war was cuased by NATO , and most of the crimes were committed by NATO. Even the international criminal court was funded by NATO . International criminal court is a good name for this court run by the international criminals . One day Lord paddy Ashdown a big shot Englishmen testified he saw the Serbian Army Shell a muslim town with his own eyes . They had a map in the court room . and Lordy Paddy said he was sitting right here on the map. He only could see the armored vehicles before they got to the town and after they left the town and the smoke rising from the town. The Serb colonel had 400 men with his Unit and said we did not fire 1 shot .

      • eric

        lord ashdown than moved his location to another spot finally he moved his location to another country. The lord would move any place rather than admit NATO had bombed the town . The Prosecution Wittness said the Serbs had locked the houses and burnt them up with the Albanian muslims inside the Houses . Milosevice got the towns police and fire deptment to testify they were supposed to be the Serbs that locked the innocent muslims in their houses and burnt them .
        Did you Burn those houses he asked ? No The fire chief responded , do you think we fight fires all day and than fight fires all nite . My fire deptment is mostly albanian muslims we did not lock muslims in those houses and burn them down . The fires were started by bombing . The Judges didn’t think bombs would start fires. Milosevic said we could check what forensic experts thought about those houses . The Judges did not think that would help them . Many people know what went on in this court .I don’t think NATO can expect to get any more cooperation from Russia or China on many more of their self inflicted unanswerable problems

    • ERIC

      I agree he should br tried , but in a court that attempt to administer justice . Not in a political Islamic show court or a court run by international criminals more interested in covering up their own crimes than promoting justice . try the Man in Israel or any non NATO or anti nazi Islamic country .