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October 30, 2014 6:21 pm

New York Times Opinion Editor Explains Why Paper Won’t Address Palestinian Racism

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Staff editor for The New York Times opinion section Matt Seaton. Photo: Twitter.

Matt Seaton, staff editor for The New York Times opinion section, told a Twitter activist on Tuesday that the publication will not scrutinize Palestinian racism until Palestinians have a sovereign state of their own.

His comments were made in response to Tamar Sternthal, an analyst at the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA) who sarcastically mocked Seaten after he posted a link to a Times column accusing Israel of racism.

She wrote, “no kidding! @nytopinion hasn’t devoted a piece to Israeli racism in a whole month!” to which Seaton replied: “it’s equal opportunity opinion over here; aim to give voice to all sides of a debate over time.” Sternthal then asked, “So we can expect two hit pieces in the next month about Palestinian racism?”

“Sure,” Seaton said, “soon as they have sovereign state to discriminate with. Meanwhile, expect piece from cabinet min. on why they won’t.”

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Other Twitter users chimed into the conversation, with one asking if the New York Times will also refrain from covering ISIS militants because they also don’t have a sovereign state.

Cif Watch, which monitors and combats anti-Semitism at The Guardian and its “Comment is Free” section, wrote, “Matt was well trained in the racism of lower expectations at the Guardian,” referring to his former position as an editor for the UK newspaper.

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  • I stopped reading THE NEW YORK TIMES in 1982
    because of its extreme obvious bias against Jews.

    I ** NEVER ** regretted that decision, because
    THE NEW YORK TIMES never gave me a reason
    to regret that decision.

    On the contrary, over the past three decades,
    THE NEW YORK TIMES has continued to relentlessly
    bash Israel while consistently portraying Israel’s enemies favorably.

    THE WALL STREET JOURNAL:
    [1] is a much better newspaper than NYT
    [2] is pro-Israel and
    [3] has three times as many readers
    as the NEW YORK TIMES.

    • Thom MCCann

      The Times may think of changing their slogan to “All The Filth That Fits We Print.”

      Try searching their archives for key words like orgasm, four letter words, etc. sex coverage in the Book Review, reviews of pornographic art films with live copulation, etc.

      I cancelled my subscription years ago when the Times changed the “Weddings” section heading and listed gay “marriages” under the subterfuge heading “Weddings and Celebrations.”

      Punchy Sulzberger said a few years ago that he was going to give more space to the gay agenda—and he certainly has. Instead of being known as “The Old Gray Lady” the Times is getting to be known as “The Old Gay Lady.”

      The Times has a political, liberal sex agenda and it has changed to appeal to prurient interests of curious “sophisticates.”

      Instead of “Be all you can be” they should try to “Be all that you were;” a paper that could be brought into one’s home without fear and trepidation as to what you are going to read or see at the turn of the next page.

      Arthur S. Brisbane in his final column as The New York Times public editor (ombudsman) said, “Across the paper’s many departments, though, so many share a kind of political and cultural progressivism — for lack of a better term — that this worldview virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.”

      Punch Sulzberger’s father was accused of deliberately burying accounts of Nazi atrocities against Jews in the back pages of the NYT during WW II. The times never apologized for that.

      The American Council for Judaism was formed in 1942 solely to fight the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine; one of its founding members was Arthur Hays Sulzberger

      Jill Abramson, fired editor of the New York Times said in 2011,
      “In my house growing up, The Times substituted for religion. If The Times said it, it was the absolute truth.”

      Getting fired is because eshe believed in a false god.

      ALSO READ “All The News Unfit To Print” by Eric Burns, expert media analyst, of how the Times inaccurately reports events.

  • HaroldT

    Quisling Jews have always been our worst enemies.

    • Paul Cerar

      Do not let him kiss you unless he washes his lips, tongue and face, and gargles with antiseptic mouthwash. He was kissing anuses.

      Paul Cerar
      Toronto, Canada

  • As The Queen’s husband, The Duke of Edinburgh, once called the Daily Express, here in Britain, “a bloody awful newspaper” – the same, too, applies to today’s Guardian and the New York Times.

    They create special standards for Israel carefully pre-determining that Israel can’t meet them.

  • One of many reasons I do not and will not purchase the NYT.
    Is Jayson Blair still writing for the NYT?

  • Emmett

    Should I explain why I wouldn’t use the NYT even as toilet paper if I had the stupidity of wasting 5 cents to buy one? Let’s just say it is an unkosher rag that employs only morally bankrupt media whores who make the National Inquirer seem like quality journalism.

  • Yale

    If Seaton is serious about racism, he should recognize that Palestinian racism, in the form of incitement to violence against Jews, is what is preventing their getting a state. If he wants them to gain that state, he had better start chiding them to address this problem.

  • Alfred Sullivan

    Perhaps the NY Times editors forgot that the Palestinians had land for a state, provided by the UN, in 1948. Rather than declare statehood, as Israel did, the Palestinians decided to join the surrounding Arab countries in attacking Israel.

    • B.Abrahams

      Of coarse the (so called) Palestinians couldn’t declare statehood, because they were a nonentity in the first place, with no innate language, culture, history or religion, as all those aspects existed in the lands that had overtaken the lands of the Hebrews, and these (so called) Palestinians only got that name as an excuse for the Romans, almost losing from the Hebrews, to eradicate the name Judea of the rightful inhabitants, and also from the pursuance of that name by a Jewish sect, later calling themselves Christians as to deny that they actually had originally been the offspring of the people who rightfully had lived in the lands, Judea, Galilee, Samaria, etc, of their progenitor. And of coarse that name also suited the opportunistic British well after they helped create a so called international body, the League of Nations, to justify, together with the other Colonial Giant, France, their domination over parts of the Middle-East and profit from the internal strive this created. And actually nothing has really changed in that region for the past century, as still the same parties are jockeying for their influence, now joined by the USA, which country always felt left out in the colonisation-game as they had to pay with a lot of money to increase their territory, with Alaska from Russia and Louisiana from France; (sorry, I left out Texas, New-Mexico and California, as the USA conquered those territories and I don’t want to mention Hawaii as that area was “rightfully ?” annexed in agreement with Britain and France and contrary to the Declaration of Rights of June 7, 1839 with the tribal chief Kamehameha, by the reciprocity treaty, as treaties like that with other tribal chiefs on the mainland in fact created the USA.) Treaties like that wouldn’t have helped Israel as neither Britain nor France would have seen any profit in that, so Israel, my advice is, blot out those non-existant Palestinians as the rest of the world does not see the former colonial powers plus the naive USA as relevant against the present day situation of emerging new powers, which might be a lot more pro Israel after they have been enlightened on how those former powers played their game to achieve world dominance.

    • B.Abrahams

      Of coarse the (so called) Palestinians couldn’t declare statehood, because they were a nonentity in the first place, with no innate language, culture, history or religion, as all those aspects existed in the lands that had overtaken the lands of the Hebrews, and these (so called) Palestinians only got that name as an excuse for the Romans, almost losing from the Hebrews, to eradicate the name Judea of the rightful inhabitants, and also from the pursuance of that name by a Jewish sect, later calling themselves Christians as to deny that they actually had originally been the offspring of the people who rightfully had lived in the lands, Judea, Galilee, Samaria, etc, of their progenitor. And of coarse that name also suited the opportunistic British well after they helped create a so called international body, the League of Nations, to justify, together with the other Colonial Giant, France, their domination over parts of the Middle-East and profit from the internal strive this created. And actually nothing has really changed in that region for the past century, as still the same parties are jockeying for their influence, now joined by the USA, which country always felt left out in the colonisation-game as they had to pay with a lot of money to increase their territory, with Alaska from Russia and Louisiana from France; (sorry, I left out Texas, New-Mexico and California, as the USA conquered those territories and I don’t want to mention Hawaii as that area was “rightfully ?” annexed in agreement with Britain and France and contrary to the Declaration of Rights of June 7, 1839 with the tribal chief Kamehameha, by the reciprocity treaty, as treaties like that with other tribal chiefs on the mainland in fact created the USA.) Treaties like that wouldn’t have helped Israel as neither Britain nor France would have seen any profit in that, so Israel, my advice is, blot out those non-existent Palestinians as the rest of the world does not see the former colonial powers plus the naive USA as relevant against the present day situation of emerging new powers, which might be a lot more pro Israel after they have been enlightened on how those former powers played their game to achieve world dominance.

  • Elise Margow

    I was a long standing subscriber to the NYT until a month ago when I finally could not take the editorial board’s pathological & irrational hatred & animosity towards Israel. I cancelled my subscription which was enormously difficult to do because the NYT does everything in its power to make it difficult to do so. I also wrote about my disquiet about the NYT’s attitude to Israel & that as journalists they had lost all credibility when after the Foreign Press Association criticised Hamas for intimidating its journalists – the NYT tried to minimise this criticism by saying its journalists had not been intimidated. Well clearly not as they espouse the Hamas worldview & are complicit in concealing Hamas human rights abuses against their own people. Anyway, the NYT refused to even acknowledge my letter – let alone respond to it. However, daily I get an email asking me to come back. I say that it is time for every self- respecting purveyor of news to stop paying for the NYT and to show that we will not financially support newspapers & editors who pervert & distort the news in such a manner as to become vocal supporters of terrorism, barbarism & genocide.

  • Miri

    Seaton is a dumb and stupid fool who doesn’t know any history.There never was a state or country which was called palestine. There never was a palestinian currency or a palestinian language or a palestinian capital. If Seaton only want to scrutinize palestinian racism when palestinians have a sovereign, he also shouldn’t write about Israel when Israel defends itself against palestinians?.

    • Jack

      And there never where Palestinians either, just herders and nomads living under the reactionary criminal forces centered in Alexandria and Cairo.
      These criminals would come through the villages and towns of the old Ottoman Empire and British Protectorate demanding tribute in the form of money or other prizes, while possibly raping and stealing a pretty daughter or two for good measure.
      Even the tribal Arabs that lived there rarely got along peacefully, with their hate not being focused only on other Arabs.
      BUT ANYBODY WHO HAS NOT STUDIED THE AREA FULLY WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE FACT.

  • There will be a new Jewish holiday . . .
    When?
    When The New York Times closes its biased, Jew-hating
    doors once and for all!

  • The obvious response would be that we have to give palestinian arabs a state state in order to find out what will be inside it. Unfortunately,the two prospective administering parties of such a state are well known already: (1) Arab nationalist/Socialist Fatah (Victory), founded by Gamal Abdul Nasser’s United Arab Republic BEFORE the 1967 war to drive all Jews in pre-1967-Israel into the sea; and (2) Sunni Islamist Hamas (arabic acronym for Islamic Resistance Movement), founded by the palestinian branch of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood in 1987 to Islamicise the unwantedly secular resistance to Israel during the intafada–and kill all the Jews in Israel on both sides of the 1967 border.
    Both Fatah and Hamas have made truces with Israel, but both continue to teach the children they control (in UN financed schools!)that Israel and Jews exist only to be destroyed.
    We already know what a Palestine would be. It would be Fatah/Hamas writ larger, dedicated to killing every Jew within reach of its weapons and then looking behind every tree and stone on the planet to find and kill Jews elsewhere.

  • Retired

    John Swinton,was also a NY Times editor(back 160 years ago)He was quoted in 1880 as saying in reply to a toast to a free press in America
    “There is no such thing,at this date of the worlds history,in America as an independent press”!
    Later in his speech he said “The business of the journalist is to distort the truth,to lie outright,to pervert,to vilify,to fawn at the feet of Mammon & to sell his country & his race for his daily bread”
    Even later he remarked”we are the tools & vassals of rich men behind the scenes.Our talents,our possibilities & our lives are the property of other men.We are intellectual prostitutes”

    Is it possible that he foresaw the career of this Times editor,Matt Seaton,who he so accurately described?

  • Ivan Gur-Arie

    Racism and bigotry have nothing to do with nationhood. It has to do with a people teaching its members particularly its young to hate. Why then are people who are not nations condemned for racism for example against blacks or latinos? If what was said by the NYTimes is accurate then it must keep quiet about racism of an individual or group of people not a nation. When Abbas says he will not let Jews live in a Palestinian state, is that not an expression of racism? If Sunni nations attack Shiites or vice versa is that not racism. Mr Seaton;s arguments are sophomoric.

  • steven L

    Any excuse can be used to justify Discrimination. But NYT discriminates for the simple reason that it is an antisemitic newspaper. Nobody cares about Seaton’s typical intellectual dishonesty. The NYT biased presentation of the Hamas repeated crimes against humanity are sufficient evidence.

  • David Goshen

    Abu Mazem of the PA and previously Yasser Arafat from the Oslo accords engaged in extreem raciasm by carrying out direct and indirect ethnic cleansing in all areas of the PA.
    Pope John PaulII made several appeals to protect Arab Christians to no avail all his appeals .The ethnic clensing has been very successful and ther remain only less than 50,000Arab Christians in the PA (Gasa under Hamas has been more successful-none remain.It guardians of the Christian Holy Places are now mainly Muslim Arabs.Abu Mazem as Arafat promised follows an Arab Palestinean Stat of Muslims only promising that NO minorities will be allowed.The fate of thr Armenian Arab
    Christians will all suffer ethnic Cleansing if Abu Mazem
    ever was given rule over this community which would certainly dissapear in less than a gerneration!Is that not all racism.No need to publish before they get their state.

  • Lucille Kaplan

    What statehood status logically has to do with the toxic efficacy of Palestinian Authority-sponsored bigotry and hate incitement has to be beyond anyone with a functioning brain.

    As a concession to the peace process, Israel, some years ago, agreed to stop publicly demanding accountability from the PA for the medieval and Nazi-styled folklore about Jews that it still regularly publishes. In return, the perpetrators of hate only stepped up the intensity of their propaganda machine.

    I take heart that during PM Netanyahu’s recent UN talk, he made specific reference to the massive Holocaust-denial treatise written by Mahmoud ‘Abbas himself, an item still being peddled on ‘Abbas’s professional website. Ambassador Dermer similarly referenced the treatise in one of his recent presentations.

    Israeli scholar Dr. Edy Cohen is waging a courageous campaign to have the treatise exposed to Western audiences and removed from the ‘Abbas website. Dr. Cohen’s analysis of the treatise was published in Yediot Aharanot last week. We can thank Dr. Cohen’s status as a native speaker of Arabic, along with his other gifts, for his razor-sharp ability to tune in to the racist propaganda of the PA, Fatah, and PLO. The tragedy is that too few of us read the Middle East presses and government releases in their original Arabic, because what is fed to the West is NOTHING like what is being fed, in Arabic, to Palestinians (and I know this, because I follow the materials in Arabic).

    We are fortunate, however, to have Palestinian Media Watch translating the poison on a daily basis. Now if only the NYT and U.S. policymakers would bother to open their eyes to it.

  • Why not llock Mr. Seaton into a Palestinian class room for one whole week and force him to listen to the endless stream of poison emanating from their books.

    But of course since they “don’t have a state” so they cannot be condemned for pouring out the vicious, anti-Jew propaganda in all their schools!

    • steven L

      He knows NOT Arabic and will accept any deception.

    • Jack

      He could go to Saudi funded schools in the U.S. to hear the same tripe! Right under his nose.

  • Elliott

    BBC bias has officially crossed the pond. BBC journalists unabashedly assert their job is no longer to report the news objectively, but to report it according to their “correct view” of the world. PC left wing journalism is alive and well at the NYT – of course, we knew that all along – it’s just we now have the tweet to prove it.

    Headline: Putty-Headed Intellectuals Ruling the East Coast Liberal Editorial Establishment.

  • Michel

    Simple question – What sovereign state did they have prior to 1948? Beuler? Beuler?

  • judithg

    I wouldn’t wipe a dirty toilet with the nytimes newspaper in print, as that would increase the filth. anyway, the times hasn’t had journalists for years now. just ignorant anti semitic pundits. most are also stupid as well, like this seaton. the Jew token hires are an embarrassment to Jews worldwide. as well as anyone with a brain that still works.

  • Howard Wohl

    We now have proof that the New York Times does have standards. Unfortunately, it should be added to their front page as “only those opinions that fit our views”. Now we know why Edward Snowden chose the Guardian and the Times to share his anti-American views. I wonder what the NYT’s ombudsman will have to say. That is, assuming he is really independent!

  • Bernard Ross

    NYT is dying, everyday they send emails begging subscriptions, they are now associated with faulty news reporting.

  • Jordan is Palestine
    Jordan is a country that never existed in history before WWI and nobody is contesting its legitimacy or territorial sovereignty and control. Jordan’s territory was taken from land allocated to the Jewish people. The amount of land taken away from the Jewish people for Jordan is about 77% from the total original allocation under the San Remo treaty. The same powers that established 21 Arab States after WWI, which nobody is contesting either, Established the State of Israel based on the Balfur Declaration. On the other hand, Israel and its Jewish people have over 3500 year history. Many Nations and people are questioning Israel’s control of its liberated territory. No one is mentioning that the Arab countries had ejected about a million Jewish people from their countries, confiscated their homes and assets to the tune of over 500 billion dollars and over 600,00 of these Jewish people were resettled in Greater Israel.
    If this is not discrimination against Israel, I do not know what is.
    It seems like nobody cares about land violations in other countries in the world, but when it comes to Israel, everyone has a say. Israel’s rights in the treaty of San Remo of 1920 are in affect in perpetuity, clearly states that the Jewish people are the only ones with political rights in the British Mandate of Palestine and that the Jewish people can live anywhere in the British Mandate.
    If the U.S., Europe and other countries will stop meddling, and stop its criticism and involvement in the politics of Israel and the Arabs, than there will be a chance for peace.
    We know the great powers are only interested in the OIL and nothing else, that is the bottom line.

    In fact sovereignty of the Jews over Palestine West of the Jordan is supported five ways:
    1. By the grant of the WWI Allies of exclusive political rights to Palestine in trust to World Jewry on April 25, 1920, intended to vest when the Jews in Palestine had attained a population majority. Prior to that time, England abandoned its trusteeship as the mandatory power, and de jure sovereignty devolved to the Jews who attained a majority not long afterwards in 1950 from the immigration of all the Jews in the Middle East who were dispossessed of their homes where they and their ancestors had lived for centuries.
    2. In the opinion of world acclaimed International Lawyers Julius Stone and Steven Schwebel based on Jordan’s conquest of Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem in an an aggressive war and their liberation by Israel in a defensive war.
    3. Under US and UK treaty law based on the Anglo American Convention of 1924.
    4. In the historic way sovereignty was gained, by asserting Israeli Independence in 1948 and defending its territory with its blood and treasure, establishing control and stability over its claimed territory.
    5. Under Canon law by a gift from God, as shown in the Old Testament.

    YJ Draiman

    “No Jew is entitled to give up the right of establishing [i.e. settling] the Jewish Nation in all of the Land of Israel. No Jewish body has such power. Not even all the Jews alive today [i.e. the entire Jewish People] have the power to cede any part of the country or homeland whatsoever. This is a right vouchsafed or reserved for the Jewish Nation throughout all generations. This right cannot be lost or expropriated under any condition or circumstance. Even if at some particular time, there are those who declare that they are relinquishing this right, they have no power nor competence to deprive coming generations of this right. The Jewish nation is neither bound nor governed by such a waiver or renunciation. Our right to the whole of this country is valid, in force and endures forever. And until the Final Redemption has come, we will not budge from this historic right.”

    BEN-GURION’S DECLARATION ON THE EXCLUSIVE AND
    INALIENABLE JEWISH RIGHT TO THE WHOLE OF
    THE LAND OF ISRAEL:
    at the Basle Session of the 20th Zionist Congress at Zurich (1937)

    • Jack

      Amen.

  • Martin Bookspan

    Seaton is only the latest foul editor of the Times to enunciate the so called “newspaper”‘s long-standing hatred of Jews and Zionism. It goes back long before the creation of the State of Israel, to the rabid support of that “newspaper” for the American Council for Judaism, a self-hating group (among whom A. H. Sulzberger, then publisher of the Times, reigned supreme) who were pathologically opposed to Zionism and a Jewish State.

    The rancid odor that permeates the Times has befouled its air for generations.

  • son unos chupa medias de los terroristas palestinos, cuanto recibiran por sus servicios

  • Steve Loeb

    Initiate legal action and let them explain in Court their double standard. Sue them for defamation as they have defamed an entire people and country with reckless lies

  • Robert B Geller

    The only way to truly send a message to the NYTimes is when Jews stop their subscriptions and stop advertising. Believe me, after a short period of time for withdrawal, you will recover, and still be considered intelligent.

  • David

    I have long ago given up on reading the Times except when I happen to find it somewhere. As far as I am concerned it is trash. No love lost When, Not If, it is only on the Internet. The Times is racist and prejudiced and has been for a very long time.

  • rachel robinson

    this is too bad because he will never get to criticize Palestinian racism. I do not believe they really want to have a state of their own, they just do not want for there to be a Jewish state.

  • Paul

    Palestinians who sell land to Israelis are punishable by death, according to their law, which are in place, enforced by their police force, and judged by their judges. Does Mr. Seaton think that is an Israeli law ? They have their own laws and autonomy. In case Seaton didn’t notice, they are managing to discriminate very well already, with their autonomous Authority, without waiting for a sovereign state.
    We could at least expect an honest answer rather than a biased cop out.

  • BUTSeriously

    This is horrific blackmail – it will not change history. Israel has never occupied another peoples’ land in all her 4,000 year history. There is no such thing as Muslim Palestinians, West Bank or East Jerusalem. The NYT is not confused – it is promoting death to Israel.

  • Thom MCCann

    The bastardly gentlemen in charge of the NY Times are in cahoots with the Arabs to lend their foul-mouthed writing and add the straw to the burden of Israel to civilize humanity.

    Hundreds of NY Times articles sympathetic to the Palestinians and Arabs appear throughout the year with few criticisms as to the barrage of anti-Semitic indoctrination of their youth from kindergarten through universities and mosques which is the root cause of the unending enmity with israel.

    Stop the Arab anti-Semitism or there will never be peace.

    • steven L

      … for the good of universalism!!!

    • zadimel

      The only people who can defeat Jew-hatred among radical Muslims are those Muslims who are moderate in their beliefs.

    • Kris

      Thom McCann

      The Muslim children have been taught hatred and lies by their parents, teachers, Imams.
      Now those children have become the parents, teachers, imams. So the cycle keeps revolving.
      They never want to use the brakes and teach what the Jews and Christians preach.
      Love, respect, and that life is what God gave us to cherish. The Muslims cherish death.

      When they learn that God gave man life to cherish, then maybe then they may teach their children not to hate

  • As a longtime mainstream investigative reporter, I need to read the Times each day—as so much of their non-Middle east coverage is excellent. That said, I wouldn’t turn on the waterworks if Times readers cancelled their subs over this matter alone. This is disgraceful, journalistically. Insane, actually.

    • This is true. But besides the venality of this bunch at the. Times, there’s a trait they seem to have in common which, for some reason, is not generally acknowledged:

      They are astonishing in their mediocrity.

  • Diana

    How does one write to the new york times? I am not referring to emailing, I am referring to actually writing a letter to the news papers.

    • j. white

      Here’s the posted information.

      http://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/letters/letters.html

      There are several comments here today which easily meet the NYT criteria.

      My own comment to meet the thrust of Mr. Seaton’s argument is to ask: Why is what Israel does or doesn’t do in its actions towards Palestine, the criterion by which NYT does or does not challenge the policy of eradication of the Jewish people expressed by Palestinian leadership as reported by the Palestinians themselves? Is the policy OK or not depending on the allegations intolerance, real or imagined, of Israel toward the Palestinian people?

      Surely the NYT is not setting itself up as the arbiter of which evil it will protect depending on what it defines as evil in others.

    • Kris

      I hope that no Jew, or Israeli supporter ever advertises in the rag called NYT>
      Once they find their revenue fro advertisers has dropped, they may change their tune.

  • As if one needed a state of one’s own to be racist. Racism is a state of mind that prejudges individuals based on an ethnic group to which they belong, instead of personal merit or lack thereof.
    I have no idea to what “race” Mr.Seaton belongs; as an individual he has no brains – that much is clear.

    • Don Corrigan

      He has brains, but they are twisted into contortions to prop up his biases. If I looked into his eyes I would see little nazis, jihadis and “Flying Monkeys’dancing as floaters.

    • Oscar Shank

      Unlike an individual racist, a state has its police power and military power to implement its racist policies.

      • Hillel

        I did forget to mention; Seaton should check his and will find that Chuchill did give the Palestinians their state in the early 1930’s. It’s called Jordon. Fat ah tried to take over on 1970 “Black September” hence the terrorists’ name throughout the 70’s. They lost, they screwed up Lebanon and all the while trying to take Israel. They’re losers and those Seatons in the world a pandering to losers. They tried in earnest in 1947-48, all the Arabs, in spite of a two state solution then. Why should any two state solution have worked since or in future when they already have a Palestinian state in (Trans)
        Jordan.

      • Pegasus

        True, we see that everyday with Israel’s war mongering policies. Just curious, does Palestine have legalized prostitution in their “remaining” sovereign territory that they control? Israel does, just asking since its important for answering those that slander the Muslims as being perverted….when it appears its the other way around.

        Oh, and for those supporters of Israel, they are not hated or disparaged because they are Israeli, since they are NOT JEWISH, they are pagan satanic khazars, and they are hated because they are psychopathic and have no morality, no integrity and no humanity. Anyone who can pedophile children and write about it in their Talmud are anything but human.

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