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July 13, 2011 4:07 pm

Of Jews and War

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Jewish soldiers at prayer in Iraq. Photo: Debbieshlussel.com.

In my column last week, I strove to make the case for the expedient invasion of Iran as a war to end all Middle East wars. Understandably, reactions were heated and varied. A particularly disproportionate number of responses seemed to aggressively question the Jewish commitment to fighting militarily for the values of freedom. Here is a particularly harsh letter that I received, and my response.

Dear Mr. Efune:

I note that you’re Jewish and, like so many Jews both American and Israeli, you advocate war with Iran. It’s a near perfect correlation; Jews seem to uniformly want war.

What’s interesting, however, is a little tidbit I learned while serving as a Marine Infantry Officer during the last years of the Vietnam conflict and thereafter. There just weren’t any Jews in the Marine combat arms units to speak of.

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We saw plenty of Jews in the JAG corps. We saw plenty of Jews in the Navy hospitals serving as doctors. But I never once knew a Jewish line officer or enlisted man in combat arms, despite the fact that I knew thousands of Marines and despite the habit of the Jews then and now of regularly agitating for America to go to war against their imagined and real enemies in the Middle East.

This begs the question, are the Jews afraid of fighting the wars they advocate?  Are you pleading for conflicts in which you have no “skin in the game”? It sure seems so. At least, it seems so for American Jews. Perhaps it’s true of Israeli Jews too as the Israeli military is as heavily dependent on U.S. support as the Israeli economy.

So, may I ask if you’re an American Jew?  And, if so, would you mind sharing with me the many martial exploits and military honors IN THE SERVICE AND IN COMBAT ARMS AND DURING WARTIME that the Efune family probably has which so emboldens you to advocate the commitment of American troops against Iran?  Please also tell me how many of your own family members are currently serving in combat arms in either Iraq or Afghanistan. I’ll bet there are none.

Or are the Efune’s cowards like so many American Jews?  And, do you advocate wars against Israel’s enemies under the banner of JC and Old Glory and with the tune Onward Christian Soldier playing in the background?

Just wondering.

Oh, and don’t reach for that old canard of anti-Semitism just because I asked for a clarification of a contradiction I’ve noticed. I tend to adhere to the British view of anti-Semitism, i.e., an anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than absolutely necessary.

Personally, I dislike cowards and blowhards. I especially dislike those who harbor both characteristics simultaneously. But I have no excessive distaste for any particular religion…not even the Muslims.

Can you say the same?

D. W.

Dear D.W.

Firstly, thank you for taking the time to read my article and share your thoughts with me, I humbly thank you for your service. You are certainly an anti-Semite, but that is beside the point.

The illustrious and storied history of Jews in the US military is a matter of public record, beginning in colonial times and continuing until this very day. Among others this is documented by historian Simon Wolf in his 1895 work The American Jew as Patriot, Soldier and Citizen, as well as by Mark Twain in The American Jew as Soldier.

During World War II, approximately 500,000 American Jews served in the various branches of the United States armed services and roughly 52,000 of these received U.S. military awards. At least 37 Jewish men and women have lost their lives serving in the current theaters of war in Iraq and Afganistan.

Personally, whilst I am a British citizen and not an American, my family’s military activity is extensive. My paternal grandfather lied to authorities about his age when he was 16 years old, in order to serve with the allies during World War II. My maternal grandfather’s brother Michael, an RAF gunner, was killed in combat. My maternal grandmother’s brother was killed fighting for Israel’s independence with the Haganah in 1947. My brother-in-law is an active serviceman, who was recently awarded an army commendation medal with a valor device for heroic actions that took place on April 13th on the battlefield in Afghanistan; he has also recently been accepted to Rangers school.

Additionally, one of my younger brothers and a cousin are currently actively serving with the Israel Defense Forces. As fallen Jewish serviceman Jeremy Kane replied to his mother when she asked why he had chosen to serve in the United States as opposed to Israel, “It doesn’t matter whether I fight for the Israelis or the Americans. We’re all battling the same thing.” Dutch politician Geert Wilders famously said, “Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and the U.S. can sleep well.”

If you are questioning the Jewish history of boldness and military prowess based on your limited experiences, I recommend that you take a trip to Israel and spend some time with IDF personnel, and meet army veterans in every segment of Israeli society. Ask your friends in the Marines if they have ever conducted military training exercises with the IDF, and see what they have to say on the matter of Jews and battle.

Whilst all of the above is true, it is fundamental to note that the Jewish approach to war is one of great reservation and reluctance. Molded by the blood-stained tide of Jewish history, our utopia is one where ‘swords will be beaten into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks.’ Yet, the Jewish sages of old also warned that, “He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate.” Misplaced pity and reluctance to face an enemy can result in the greatest death and destruction.

Throughout history Jews have endured untold suffering as a result of a reluctance to take decisive action. From the Days of King Saul in the ancient battle against Amalek, to Golda Meir in 1973, the narrative is the same. But this experience is by no means limited to Jews. In his memoirs, Winston Churchill writes, “One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once, “The Unnecessary War.” There never was a war more easy to stop than that which has just wrecked what was left of the world from the previous struggle.”

Iran is clearly by no means only a Jewish issue, nor an Israeli one; it is a global issue of extreme relevance to the United States and all free nations around the world. Imagine for a moment that the enemies of Israel succeeded in their mission to wipe Israel and the Jews off the face of the earth.  Are you really of the opinion that peace will reign? That Iran’s nuclear program will be brought to an abrupt halt? In truth it is Israeli soldiers who sacrifice fighting on America’s front line in the Middle East.

Indeed the Jewish people have bled for the freedom of others, but never have we asked others to bleed for us. We will only share the wisdom of our sages, inspired by the lessons of our past, so that no nation shall ever endure the suffering of our people.

Dovid Efune

The Author is the director of the Algemeiner Journal and the GJCF and can be e-mailed at defune@gjcf.com.

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  • Alex Hoffman

    Just as a (late) note, that photo was taken at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan, on Rosh Hashanah 2005, not Iraq.

    (Source: I’m the guy in the front row)

  • Dear Dovid Efune,
    I wish to comment on your article, Of Jews & War, and the comment by D.W., and perhaps others of his ilk. I am 65 years years of age, and I have just recently made Aliya (immigrated) to Israel. Previously, I lived in the USA for nearly 20 years, as well as other countries. While living in Israel, I have learned a great deal about the whole world, and so here is my statement.

    The Jews were kicked out of, what was then called, Palestine (named by the Romans for much of the Middle East), and we wondered the earth for 2,000 years looking for a home. In the meantime, we learned how to take care of ourselves under the most dire circumstances, in which, against all odds, many of us prospered. Finally, and legally, we received the land of Israel again, and we have had to fight for it during the last 63 years. Never, and please take note Mr. D.W. never, have I read, in the theatre of war, any nation, other than Israel, who would, en masse (just about)die for their country, protect their country, and do whatever it would take to preserve the integrity of Israel, without much pursuasion. At 65, I have also become one of those. This is the only home we have, and no-one else, really, wants us. Consequently, the Israelis have developed a psyche that has helped win every war we have had. We have repelled all the invaders, in spite of being outnumbered and out-gunned. Yet we are a very small country, with limited material resources, even so we have one of the best armies, air forces in the world. We have proven ourselves to be most accomplished on the battlefield, and yet,if there is another way, other than violence, we will look at it. This attitude has cost us dearly, for we have been bombed by suicide bombers, and thousands of rockets for years. I defy DW and anyone else to show me any nationality who has, and can tolerate this sort of constant bombardment without breaking down. Yes, the children near Gaza are traumatized, as the parents are, but you do not see them acting up, or even complaining.These are the real unsung heroes, who have more courage and humanity in them than Mr. D.W. displays in his ignorant and uneducated response to Dovid’ Efune’s article.

    Mr. DW has a vision that is so limited, because his idea of a battlefield is so superficial. What about the battlefield the (most probably) Jewish doctors face to help a severely wounded soldier, or using an appliance or drug invented by a Jew (of which there are many. Just look at the list of Medical Nobel Prize winners).
    One of the possible problems that a Jewish soldier and his offers face is the requirement not to think, just obey orders. Well, not all orders are appropriate. Example; General Ariel Sharon/Yom Kippur war in Israel. Jews tend to think, and that is why they have one of the best armies in the world.

    Lets us change tack. War, fighting and violence rarely does any good, because, we humans rarely learn from history. There has to be another way, and I believe that “Knowledge is structured in consciousness.” Expand or raise your conscious awareness, and your knowledge changes accordingly. Most of our earthly problems are born out of ignorance. Are you listening Mr. DW. Get your facts straight. Educate yourself, then let us have your informed opinion. In this respect come and visit Israel. You will, no doubt, learn something and change your limited opinion.

    In conclusion, we Jews never exclude the world from our successes, and we do not rely on anyone for our survival. If we have learned one lesson, that is it.America is our friend, and they do help us, as we help them. Check out Israel’s contribution of improved avionics for the fighter planes, in Israel and the USA, and many other military contributions, and scientific contributions, especially those used by doctors on the battlefield, including and not limited to, the victims of burns.

    Mr. DW, you may have meant well, but you have shown yourself up through lack of intel.

    My regards to Dovid, DW and all else who have commented on Dovid’s stimulating article.

  • PissedoffAmerican. Your comeback lacked oomff. Your “are you accusing me of anti-Semitism” argument is quite typical of anti-Semitics. Maybe you couldn’t be faulted on your technical grammar use, but the attitude behind what was said smacked of anti-Semitism. You must know of the Israeli army’s prowess on the battle field…if you don’t then I will simply ask on what planet you have been living the past forty years. All nations have things in their past which they might not be all that proud of, and the USA falls foul of the same. To mention but one of a myriad. I am sure you have heard of the NAZI Wernher von Braun, who was poached by the Americans at the end of WWII. He was given immunity in return for his rocketry expertise. Are we really to believe that Wernher von Braun was an innocent bystander who only wanted to pursue his passion for rocketry whilst WWII was raging around him?

    And to the other Pissed Off American…the Israelis are not the aggressor in the ongoing conflict with the Palestinians. Have you not heard of the indiscriminate firing of rockets from Gaza into Israel by the Palestinians? You can track what’s happening there on the following website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2011. Yesterday (14 July 2011) more than 6 rockets were blindly launched into Israel. Do you for one moment want to tell me that the USA would not retaliate militarily if Mexico started doing the same tomorrow – firing thousands of rockets blindly into civilian areas in the USA? Israel has the right to retaliate…and it exercises that right, as would any self-respecting nation.

    I want to conclude by mentioning that I am really happy that the USA and Israel have a long-lasting and prevailing friendship. May this friendship please last forever. Us little ones bickering here will not influence that relationship, and for that I am glad. We must caution, there are many people out there who dislike Israel…many because they are uninformed, many because it is some kind of a silly norm, but most because they are simply racist. I am now out of this debate.

  • Army Wife to a Jewish Soldier

    I want to appeal to the Jewish soldiers (both American and Israeli) and their family members represented here… please distance yourself from this antisemitic waffle. To respond to these people cheapens our commitment, and the memory of those who died in service to their country. POA and APOA are common antisemites and not worthy of any response; in fact, I find it hard to believe that DW ever served in the military at all. If he had, his attitude towards minorities in the military would not be so warped by prejudice; this sort of sentiment is not generally tolerated among Marines, whose minority component is 31%.

  • Clumsy attempts to conflate Israel’s and America’s interests:

    “As fallen Jewish serviceman Jeremy Kane replied to his mother when she asked why he had chosen to serve in the United States as opposed to Israel, “It doesn’t matter whether I fight for the Israelis or the Americans. We’re all battling the same thing.”

    “Dutch politician Geert Wilders famously said, “Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and the U.S. can sleep well.”

    B.S. Israeli’s are compelled to fight for two reasons:

    1) They stole the land or, and,

    2) killed and imprisoned the people of Palestine.

    For this Israeli parents should lay awake at night in fear of justice for the heineous deeds of their government.

    The Americans fight in the middle east because of two reasons:

    1) The Jews stole the U.S. Congress

    2) The Jews killed and continue to kill any and all efforts of Americans to wrest control of Congress back.

    • Rachel Soussan

      Dear Sir, in response to your letter I would like to shed some light on why you may not have met any Jewish Marines during your service to our country.
      Had I been a Jew in your regiment, I also wouldn’t have told you I was Jewish.
      Sincerely,
      Army Brat

    • MH8169

      How does one respond to this stupidity. Your logic and analysis is completely at a “zero” point. What do you feed your brain with? Asbestos?

    • A REAL American

      @pissed — Jews stole land?? LOL—they are actually the only nation who actually BOUGHT and PAID for land. But if you want to talk about who “stole” land–see every nation in the world. There is not a single indigenous population living on land that they didn’t conquer or steal from a previous indigenous population. NOT ONE. All land was conquered—including America. What makes one conquest any more or less legitimate than another? How can you actually make a BS claim like this and still keep a straight face? I guess straight is a relative term for you…

      The “people of Palestine”? You mean the Jews of course because prior to Cairo conference of 1964 in which the Arabs coined the term “palestinian”, the only people on the face of the Earth to ever call themselves “Palestinian” were the Jews of the Yishuv–who’s newspaper the Palestine Post changed its name to the JERUSALEM POST.

      Palestine itself was never an independent land with a government or an ethnic population. The only leader of Palestine prior to Yasser Arafat was Faisel Heusseini–Adolph Hitler’s war buddy—an enemy to ALL AMERICANS.

      The Jews made up the majority of the inhabitants of Western Palestine prior to the issuing of the British White Paper which put a restriction on Jewish immigration, but did nothing to address Arab migration or immigration from East Palestine (Jordan).

      “palestinians” like you talk out of both sides of their ass when they make claims against Israel. According to Palestinian mythology–which changes more frequently than a geriatric rock star–the Jews were the minority population of Palestine (Western Palestine–not Eastern which was already partitioned into Trans-Jordan), yet they still had time to chase away between 500,000 and 1.5 million Arabs while defeating the combined armies of FIVE professional Arab armies. You cannot have it both ways. Either the Jews were the minority population and needed an act of God to defeat their enemies, or they were the majority with plenty of time and resources to kick ass militarily whiping 5 invading Arab and have enough left over to disperse nearly up to 1.5 million Arabs—but you cannot have all of these things. The Palestinian mythology is clearly at odds with itself and cannot possibly be based on reality.

      Speaking of which, why take the name Palestinian? I mean these people are the “INDIGENOUS” population, they could have taken any name for themselves at anytime? Why Palestinian? That question is pertinent since their is no letter “P” in the Arabic language. So why would they CHOOSE to name themselves with a letter that doesn’t exist in their native language?

      Congress is firmly in the hands of the American people who overwhelmingly support the State of Israel—not the antisemites like @pissed who only represent their own deep seeded anger and mistrust and hatred for anyone who doesn’t agree with their bigoted point of view.

  • disapointed at pissed off tool

    PS. DW didn’t you lose the war you fought in? you have nothing to brag about…

    • PissedOffAmerican

      “PS. DW didn’t you lose the war you fought in? you have nothing to brag about”

      I rest my case. People like you actually make my argument for me. Are you REALLY of the mind that that kind of ignorant crap is somehow indicative of a just cause or a convincing argument??

      • And not a word from the Israel apologists on this thread about their decimation then and now of the Palestinians.

        Are past horrors brought upon the Jews somehow more conversable than current horrors being wraught by the Jews?

        • A REAL American

          An not a word from the Palestinian apologist about the decimation of Palestinian by other Palestinians. Yada yada yada. You are like a broken record…. just a bunch of noise with absolutely no meaning or purpose.

  • ” “He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate.”

    Have never once seen it that scenario play out as stated. It’s simply not a Christian value. The Bible tells us even Satan is our enemy and then goes on the tell us to love our enemy.

    In my life, I certainly have done so…even when the enemy was cruel. That’s why I am affectionate of the Jews…still.

    • Rachel Soussan

      To all the our antisemitic readers…thank you for reading this excellent paper.

      • PissedOffAmerican

        Amazing.

        Nothing about the NPT. Nothing about the Liberty incident. No serious rebuttal to ANY point I raised about the disingenuous content of Efune’s essay.

        The accusation of “Anti-semitism”; the timeworn badge of ignorance and intellectual deflection, used when NO OTHER logical or coherent defense of Israel’s actions can be waged.

        • Michael Koenigsberg

          First to the indignat marine.Iam quite sure you are unaware that Eighteen Jewish American Males were awarded the congressional medal of honor.You sir are an anti semite no matter how you butcher the english language.As has been suggested you should visit with the IDF.By the way i am veteran american jew.I have always held the us marines in the highest regard.The United States feels that Iran’s nuclear program poses the greatest threat.For your information the U.S.has been working with Israel to neutralize this threat.May God shine the light of intelligence upon you

        • I have to agree. Absolutely no engagement by the Jew-apologists of the issues raised by the two pissed-offs. Just personal attacks.

          Gaza came from somewhere, Ladies and Gentlemen. It came from Israeli genocide of the Palestinians. If another country or a group of religious zealots did the same here in the U.S. there’s not a single person I know, male or female, over the age of 18 who would not produce and fire rockets into that country. Not one.

          For me, their actions are utterly justified. You Jews stole their land, killed their people, subjected and subject them to aparthied conditions and you deserve exactly what you’re getting…and worse.

          • A REAL American

            @pissed You my dear sir/maddam you are in desperate need of lessons in history and logic. Gaza was under EGYPTIAN domination from 1948 to 1967. The EGYPTIANS turned Gaza into a hell hole on Earth and continue to do so with their blockade and refusal to take responsibility for their fellow Arab.

            Palestinian is NOT a nationality—it is a political designation. The so-called “palestinians” are Egyptians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Lebanese, Syrians, Saudis, etc. Nationalities are a Western invention imposed on the Arabs by colonial (British and French). There is no language, religious, cultural or any other barrier between the peoples of this region—they are all brother and sister and aunts and uncles.

            There is no difference between an Arab of Egypt and an Arab of Gaza–NONE. So please stop inventing your own mythology for them.

            As for the rockets–this is a chicken and egg argument and in this case the beginning is obvious to all except @pissed. The terrorism coming from Gaza forced Israel and Egypt to close the borders to protect their civilian populations. If the terrorist want to behave like subhumans, they will get treated as such and be locked in their own cage. FYI–one rocket, missile or mortar shot over a border is an act of war, the Gazans have shot 10’s of thousands of projectiles at Israeli civilian populations. This is not only AN ACT OF WAR—this is also a WAR CRIME. Israel is under no obligation to fight a war against these subhumans with both their arms and legs tied behind their backs. Unfortunately for all, Israel has shown far too much restraint. If they wanted to engage in genocide against the people in Gaza as you claim, they could do so in a matter or moments and wipe them out of existence—but that is clearly NOT Israel’s intention. Israel like all nations has a RIGHT to defend its civilian population from terrorists. Palestinian terrorists in Gaza have chosen to fight an asymmetrical war directly targeting Israeli civilians while illegally shielding themselves behind their own civilian population. the Geneva conventions on warfare explicitly prohibit these actions and lay the blame for ALL causalities of this conflict squarely with the Palestinian terrorists for ILLEGALLY engaging in combat operations behind a civilian population.

            And for the record—Palestinian terrorism against Jews pre-dates the creation of the State of Israel by at least 19 years and any BOGUS claim of land confiscations by 40 years. The Palestinians ALMOST have an air of legitimacy to them-but only when you do what exactly what @pissed did by ignoring all relevant political, historical, religious, and legal context to this conflict.

    • A REAL American

      There is no society on the face of the Earth more cruel than the Palestinian society. You have succeeded in showing your compassion to the Palestinians completely ignoring their cruelty to each other and to their Jewish and Christian neighbors.

      Keep up the good work!!

  • “Understandably, reactions were heated and varied. A particularly disproportionate number of responses seemed to aggressively question the Jewish commitment to fighting militarily for the values of freedom.”

    Freedom for whom? Certainly your not fighting for the freedom of those you absolutely oppress and those whose extinction and eradication you favor…the Palestinians.

    Duplicity and hypocracy drips from your convenient illogic.

    • A REAL American

      If the goal of the Israelis was to make the Palestinians extinct, that would take approximately 30 seconds to accomplish. Why antisemitic jackasses like @pissed make this bogus claim is beyond comprehension.

  • “Imagine for a moment that the enemies of Israel succeeded in their mission to wipe Israel and the Jews off the face of the earth. Are you really of the opinion that peace will reign?”

    I’m merely of the opinion that we American would no longer have to fight your wars and that the great injustice Israel inflicted on the Palestinian Arabs would be finally avenged.

  • “so that no nation shall ever endure the suffering of our people.”

    And, what of the Isreal-induced suffering of the Palestinians. Your history belies your post.

    • A REAL American

      And what of the Palestinian induced suffering on their own people? The Palestinian society is not a democracy, it is a terrorist controlled dictatorship which has continually abused its population and used them as human shields and armed their young with suicide vests. This is a society that doesn’t share a single value in common with 99% of the American people.

      The Palestinians are…

      anti-Abortion
      anti-feminist
      anti-equality
      against freedom of the press
      against freedom of religion
      against free speech
      and they have no devotion to democracy or human rights of any kind

      The Palestinian society engaging in honor killings and clan based vendettas are settled by lynchings rather than the failed legal system. Their government is authoritarian and corrupt beyond any Western level of comprehension.

      What about these things??? If you are so interested in the welfare of the Palestinian people, why not mention any of this?

  • The Jews have a very great deal of miss-dealing for which to account…as have we Americans. This and only this links our destinies. It’s how it should be…let universal justice prevail.

  • PissedOffAmerican
  • PissedOffAmerican

    According to Israeli historian Shabtai Teveth….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabtai_Teveth

    ……who wrote one of the most detailed accounts on the Lavon Affair, the assignment was “To undermine Western confidence in the existing [Egyptian] regime by generating public insecurity and actions to bring about arrests, demonstrations, and acts of revenge, while totally concealing the Israeli factor. The team was accordingly urged to avoid detection, so that suspicion would fall on the Muslim Brotherhood or ‘local nationalists’.”

  • PissedOffAmerican

    “…but never have we asked others to bleed for us”

    Remembering the Lavon Affair

    If we reviewed the whole of the 20th century history in Egypt for incidents of bombing attacks on Egyptian targets we will have to stop at the famous Israeli false flag operation back in 1954 known as “Lavon Affair” after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon.

    Israeli defense minister Pinhas Levin & PM Golda Meir
    The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, in which a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence . The goal of the Operation was to carry out bombings and other acts of terrorism in Egypt specifically by planting what looked then like homemade bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood -MB -and Egyptian local nationalists with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt in an attempt to abort the military ambitions of the rising Nasser nationalism which the Israeli viewed as a threat to their newly formed state.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/01/06/egypt-church-bombing-another-lavon-affair/

    • PissedOffAmerican

      Of course, it goes without saying that a link to information regarding the Liberty, and Israel’s wanton MURDER of Liberty crewmen, would be an apropos and compelling rebuttal of Efune’s “but never have we asked others to bleed for us” assertion. There can be no clearer example of the Israeli government seeking to “ask others to bleed for us”.

      Also, there are a myriad of public statements made by Israeli government officials, over the years, that could also be offered to convincingly counter Efune’s disingenuous spew.

      But really, the Liberty is old news, is it not? You all KNOW this stuff already. Or, if you don’t, you should.

      So, what is Efune’s motive in offering essays so completely detached from reality? Is he reaching out to the ignorant amongst you??? Or does he seek to write a new history, for those of you too young to have lived through the truth? Whatever his motive, it makes his lies no more palatable.

      Does it ever occur to you that a policy justified by lies is a policy not worth pursuing???

      • A REAL American

        Anyone who mentions the Liberty is an anti-Semite. There is no reason to mention a singular event that happened 44 years ago. This is a meaningless red-herring that anti-Semites love to toss out whenever they can for no apparent reason. As long as we are tossing about non-sequitors… What about American Doctors injecting black soldiers with syphilis? What about the Hay Market riots? What about Bob?

  • PissedOffAmerican

    2007…….

    “President Bush lacks the political power to attack Iran. As an American strike in Iran is essential for our existence, we must help him pave the way by lobbying the Democratic Party (which is conducting itself foolishly) and US newspaper editors. We need to do this in order to turn the Iranian issue to a bipartisan one and unrelated to the Iraq failure.” – General Oded Tira

  • PissedOffAmerican

    In regards to Iran, I note you have blathered forth with yet one more essay mentioning an Iranian nuclear “threat” while avoiding mention of the NPT.

    I don’t suppose Israel’s possession of a formidable nuclear arsenal, that was developed with stolen technology, in underground bunkers, with no international oversight, has anything to do with individual Muslim nations working towards nuclear weapons technology, eh?

    And this business of “but never have we asked others to bleed for us” is disingenuous at best. In the lead up to the Iraq invasion, your mouthpieces were clamoring for us to commit our young men and women to war. And with Iran, it is no different.

    Worse, you have absolutely NO qualms about targeting AMERICANS engaged in peaceful protest in the West Bank (Tristan Anderson, Rachel Corrie, Emily Henochowizc, Chris Whitman), or on the high seas (Furkan Dugan).

    And need I mention your ATTACK on the Liberty, a false flag operation designed to scam us into military involvement in ISRAEL’S self imposed conflict with its neighbors?

    You are a shameless propagandist, Efune. Your essays bring shame upon the Jews and Israel.

    • Jonah

      PissedOffAmerican,

      That miniature tirade probably seemed a lot more compelling to you, being drunk on self-righteousness. “Blathered”, indeed. You forgot to blame the martyrdom of Vittorio Arrigoni on Israel as well.

      What are you so pissed-off about, anyhow? Someone scuttle your flotilla? *Hugs*

      • PissedOffAmerican

        The shallow nature of the responses on this site kinda intrigues me.

        I’m a little curious, Jonah; Does it occur to you people to offer anything substantive as rebuttal, or is ad hominem prattle the only thing you’ve got?

        So lets try this….

        Is this premise…

        “…. but never have we asked others to bleed for us…”

        ….true, or not?

        • PissedOffAmerican.
          Do you deserve anything other than shallow natured responses? Is there any response out there that will get you to change your opinion? I don’t think so. In my opinion you are firmly set in your anti-semitic beliefs, and that’s that. Many things are constantly being said by many leaders all the time, but that does not make what’s being said true or the opinion of the whole. Barack Obama recently said that the USA is a Muslim State. Is that the case, is the USA a Muslim State, or do many Americans have different ideals and opinions? If one searches hard enough and long enough, you will find utterances made by so-called leaders to support just about every viewpoint under the sun, and that even includes your viewpoints. In my opinion the track records of the Jews speaks for itself. They are masters when it comes to warfare. I am absolutely sure that you have heard the following statement made somewhere by somebody…and the fact of the matter is that they were correct when they made this statement: “If the Jews/Israelis were in charge of all passenger security procedure on Sep 11 2001, then both World Trade Centre Towers would still have been standing today.”

          • PissedOffAmerican

            “In my opinion you are firmly set in your anti-semitic beliefs”

            Thats really all you’ve got, isn’t it? Well, it is losing its power. Its been so mis-applied and overused that the accusation has become widely recognized as absurd when used to diffuse or repudiate criticism of Israeli policy.

            But, of course, I welcome any effort on your part to substantiate the accusation by directly quoting any argument or opinion I’ve offered that is anti-semitic.

        • A REAL American

          @pissed Hypocrisy in action–your ad hominem attack on others with no rebuttal is that all you have??

          Stop attacking Efune and those who disagree with you with ad hominem attacks and tossing out meaningless red-herrings like the liberty and attempt to rebut the LONG list of facts I presented to you.

    • A REAL American

      Very interesting how you mentioned Rachel Corrie. Corrie was mentioned as one of the western ISM volunteers that was raped by the very same Palestinians she was attempting to assist. The ISM has pressured numerous of their volunteers to keep silent about these rape because “the cause is larger than the individual”.

      Which brings up the other victims of Palestinian atrocities…

      A well-known Arab Israeli actor, Juliano Mer Khamis, was murdered while working in Jenin’s refugee camp.
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12963475

      A kidnapped Italian pro-Palestinian activist Vittorio Arrigoni was found dead in Gaza. He was murdered by a rival Palestinian faction…
      http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Gaza-Islamist-Extremists-Kill-Kidnapped-Italian-Pro-Palestinian-Peace-Activist/Article/201104215972595

      Intra-Palestinian murders clan-wafare and political oppression and corruption far outweigh any external problems the Palestinians have with the Israelis.

  • Rachel Soussan

    Excellent response to an angry, ignorant reader.

  • an absolutely brilliant response …an inspiring read

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