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October 15, 2013 3:03 pm

Report: Israel, PA Peace Talks Face Implosion Over Jordan Valley Buffer Zone

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U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Israeli Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, and Palestinian Chief Negotiator Saeb Erekat. Photo: State Department.

The current ongoing peace talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority are in jeopardy, Ma’ariv reported on Tuesday, after the PA scoffed at the idea of Israel maintaining a military presence in the Jordan Valley, an Israeli requirement to establish a buffer zone before creating a Palestinian state.

According to the Israeli daily, PA negotiators in a recent meeting demanded that only its forces should be placed in the Jordan Valley, along what it would like to see as a Palestinian state’s eastern border, allowing for each state to retain independent boundaries. The Israelis refused, maintaining their insistence that a future Palestinian state be demilitarized and that Israel have control of the airspace, maritime traffic and border crossings to guarantee security.

According to the report, the Palestinian negotiators rejected this, saying, “Menachem Begin gave us a lot more than that. We prefer the status quo over a demilitarized closed cage…”

According to the report, Israel has refused any alternative, including allowing international peace keeping forces into the territory.

Prime Minister Benjamin “Netanyahu has put himself into a deadlock with his demand for a demilitarized state,” a source in Jerusalem told the daily. “It’s a logical failure. Netanyahu is beginning to realize the negotiations have ended before they had even started.”

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  • Vivienne Leijonhufvud

    Thanks Zach for reporting again on the PLO. Does the PLO think Israel is dumb? Wanting defensive borders from Israel on the Golan? Oh for ch…..s sake what crap will they come up with next. Abbas is Egyptian, Egypt doesn’t want extreme Arabs and certainly doesn’t want a s..t stirrer like Abbas back in their midst. I know what I would like to do with Abbas and his cronies, however I am unable to say. Perhaps MOSSAD or the old CIA could come up with a final solution!

  • Sandy Brown

    Always the same. They just do not stop. Just take the offer and get on with your lives. Stop the hatred and venom and have your own State and just get on with it. Prove that you can have your own State and stop the warmongering. Are these Arabs every gonna learn!

  • RCCA

    Why don’t they accept the terms and prove that Israeli military presence is unnecessary by building a peaceful and prosperous state which accepts Israel and cooperates with Israel for mutual benefit? Is it because they are more interested in building a terror state from which to attack Israel in the future?

  • Joseph E

    Demilitrisation of Germany after WW1 didn’t prevent the rise of Nazism & WW2.

  • AKUS

    They never learn:

    “According to the report, the Palestinian negotiators rejected this, saying, “Menachem Begin gave us a lot more than that. We prefer the status quo over a demilitarized closed cage…””

    So they should have taken that offer.

    But they never miss a chance to miss a chance, and always think they can move the pieces back to a better position.

  • “The Israelis refused, maintaining their insistence that a future Palestinian state be demilitarized and that Israel have control of the airspace, maritime traffic and border crossings to guarantee security.”

    And this is an independent Palestinian state?????!!!!!

    • Anthony C. Abela

      Go tell it to the marines Viv, you know one can never trust the Palestinians. Their whole agenda has been to increase dissention and even killing their own and firing bullets into dead bodies to blame the Israelis. Their agenda is never to have peace, this way they can keep stealing the millions of dollars, and who was the mastermind?, none other then the terrorist, Yasser Arrafat who generously gave his wife 15 Million American dollars before he was killed by his own as it was their turn to steal and make themselves rich. The palestinians are thieves and murderers of the worst kind and liers to boot. Remember how many children were killed by their own rockets which were fired on Israel but fell short into their own land and killed their own people?. Then they blamed Israel knowingly that it was not Israel. When you deal with scorpions and venomous snakes one has to be careful of their strikes. So next time Viv., don’t blame the Israelis. By the way, I am not Jewish, I am Maltese living in Australia

      • Steve Marks

        At last, a man that can see the wood for the trees

      • Vivienne Leijonhufvud

        Well said Mr Man from Malta.

    • Sonia Willats

      JORDAN is the Palastinian state, legally. This is a SECOND Palastinian State, because Israel tries and TRIES to make more and more compromises for peace.

    • Kris Kristian

      As a supporter of Israel, and having visited Israel many times, I can support PM Netanyahu.
      Can one trust the Palestinians?
      I dont think so.
      Abbas has said repeatedly that he will never recognise Israel as a Jewish state. He has also said that if a PA state is created, no Jew will be allowed tro live there. And the world calls Israel a racist state.
      The only racists are the Palestinians.
      They are demanding Jerusalem as their capital, yet, since biblical times, it has always been the capital of the jewish people.
      The westbank, was occupied by Jordan in the 1948 war, where 7 Arab states arttacked the new born Jewish state, and threatened to send the Jews into the se.
      The Arabs lost. Jordan occupied parts of Jerusalem, which they lost to Israel in 1867.
      The PA has no legal or moral right tpo any part of Jerusalem.
      In any case, the League of Nations gave the entire land to the Jews. This was never recinded. It is still legally the Jewish land

  • The control of the Jordan frontier is not a matter of security but is crucial to keeping out the Palestinian refugees who are sheltered in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria (now displaced once more in Jordan). This matter requires a federated territory with reciprocal National-Cultural Autonomy.

  • rofedoc

    G-D gave this land to the Jews..forever…

    Eretz Yisrael l’olam va’ed

    Am Yisrael Chai

  • Some people, especially Obama-Kerry & Co have not learned anything from history. Israel gave independance to Gaza and look what happened: missiles on South Israel, shootings across the borders, soldier kidnappings, etc… Israeli forces retired from the buffer-zone of South-Lebanon and were replaced by a UN peace keeping force which was to guarantee the demilitarisation of the place, and look what happened: tens of thousands Hezbollah missiles were installed and aimed at Israel. Israel gave some security independance to the PA in Judea-Samaria (Westbank) and look what happens: killings, stonings, harrassments, threats,… and it had to build a wall for less bombings. The big lessons: 1° Never give up land in exchange of some vague promises. 2° Never give independance to a malicious neighbour occupying your land. 3° Never ever outsource your own security. The Oslo accords were a disaster because one party was lying through its teeth. Furthermore, absolutely nothing in the palestinians’ behaviour or rhetoric has changed for the better, quite the contrary. What outcome do you expect from peacetalks where one party is still openly wanting to destroy the other, and refuses to even recognizing it? Let’s go back to the daily management of the problems when they arise. Let the PA’s corruption gobble up all the generous aid untill it dries out or their own people revolt against it. Only then will we see an evolution in their mentality.

    • Sorry, I meant to say “autonomy” not “independance”.

      • Sonia Willats

        Well said and to rofedoc. I don’t believe that Obama and Kerry haven’t learned the lessons of history. I believe they don’t care. Are they involved for cudos, or is their involvement even more sinister?

        Israel must look to her G-d for help; not USA/Egypt.

    • Kris Kristian

      We must not forget that, like Arafat before him, Abbas has become an extremely wealthy man from the millions meant for the Palestinians, but went into their pockets.
      Time for the world to wake up to the truth. Stop supplying the PA with money.
      Let the build a country without financial help from wherever

  • Jack

    If this is so, it is terrible. With satellite surveillance, there is no need for an Israeli presence in the Jordan Valley. Any significant weaponry in the valley would be destroyed by Israel with Jordan’s blessings, as they or Israel could be the only target for such a build up.

    • Ken Dannett

      Naive. Israel has satellite surveillance of Lebanon and Gaza but that hasn’t prevented the Arabs from building a frightening arsenal of missiles in both areas.

  • Michael Garfinkel

    “Netanyahu is beginning to realize the negotiations have ended before they had even started.”

    Oops! Can we get back the terrorists we set free?

    • Vivienne Leijonhufvud

      Yes send back the terrorists and offer capital punishment THE END.

  • Michael Garfinkel

    ” Netanyahu is beginning to realize the negotiations have ended before they had even started.”

    Oops! Can we get back the terrorists we set free?

  • Grifter

    It is impossible for Israel to give up the territory and have military security, due to the topography of the area.

    • Kris Kristian

      If a PA stste is created, one must look at the land. The PA state will be right on Israel’s head, and put the airport in danger, as well as every part of Israel.
      The PA state will be on higher ground, and like before, when Syria controlled the Golan heights, the farms below the Heights, were bombed daily. people had to live in shelters.

      If Israel does not have control over the Jordan Valley, the entire Israel, such a small sliver of land will be in danger, with Hezballa in the north, Palestine in the west, Hamas(Gaza) in the south.

      Without the control of the Jordan valley, Israel will have no security.

  • artcohn

    What is the status of the source in Jerusalem who stated:”Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has put himself into a deadlock with his demand for a demilitarized state,” “It’s a logical failure. Netanyahu is beginning to realize the negotiations have ended before they had even started.”?

  • Wallace Edward Brand

    Under International Law they are not entitled to unilaterally demand statehood. At best they may expect only internal autonomy?

  • Efram Paul

    He is just beginning to realize this? It was obvious before he agreed to release all the murderers.

  • Anthony dayton

    If Begin gave more than Netanyahu, what a pity that the Palestinians didn’t take it when they had the opportunity. The Jerusalem source might consider that since Begin, there have been several wars, countless suicide attacks, Infitadahs and unceasing hatred and threats. Netanyahu is protecting his country, accordingly. If the Palestinians were to accept an agreement from whom would they need to be militarized? And after a period of normal, peaceful relations, this aspect of the borders would and could be renegotiated. Sounds like the source is using this as a cynical opportunity to blame Israel and Netanyahu

    • Absolutely. Always pin the blam on Israel, it’s so easy since Israel never reacts…

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