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June 21, 2015 3:00 pm

Former Israeli Envoy Oren Says ‘Likely’ US Will Not Veto Security Council Resolution Calling for Creation of Palestinian State

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Former Israeli envoy to Washington, Michael Oren, said the United States is “likely” not to veto an expected United Nations Security Council resolution calling for the creation of a Palestinian state.

Oren’s remarks were made at the New York launch of his new book Ally: My Journey Across the American-Israeli Divide on Thursday evening.

Responding to a question from the audience about Israel’s public diplomacy on the Palestinian issue, Oren brought up the expected upcoming move at the U.N. and stated emphatically that “the United States is likely not to cast a veto.”

“Israel could be much more proactive in preempting – the way we used to know how to preempt – threats, and the way we preempt the threat that is now emerging on the [United Nations] Security Council, with either a French and/or New Zealand resolution,” Oren said.

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The possibility of the U.S.withdrawing its cover for Israel at the Security Council was first speculated in November 2014, and was openly implied by Obama administration officials in March this year. 

“We’re currently evaluating our approach,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said at the time, according to The Wall Street Journal. “We’re not going to prejudge what we would do if there was a U.N. action.”

Later in March, a group of U.S. senators warned Obama against stripping Israel of diplomatic protection at the Security Council.

According to an Israeli report in May, Obama told associates that he intends to veto any French proposal for a U.N. Security Council resolution mandating the creation of a Palestinian state. But earlier this month, U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Samantha Power prompted concern from congressional lawmakers after she refused  to categorically say if the U.S. would veto the potential Security Council resolution.

Asked directly during a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing whether the U.S. would exercise its veto power to turn back such a resolution, Power was noncommittal, the U.S. News & World Report said. 

“I really am going to resist making blanket declarations on hypothetical resolutions. Our position, again, I think has been very clear for some time,” Power said. “I have said, again, we would oppose anything that was designed to punish Israel or undermine Israel’s security. But I think, again, it’s perilous. There’s no resolution in front of us.”

In his talk at the book launch on Thursday, Oren said the passing of the U.N. resolution would likely be used by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas “as evidence in his war crimes charges against us in the International Criminal Court.”

To preempt the U.N. threat, Oren suggested that Israel publicly declare three positions. Firstly, the Jewish state should announce that while “we realize there is no Palestinian partner,” nevertheless, “we are always going to be at the table.” Secondly, he said Israel should reaffirm that “we still subscribe to the Bar Ilan formula of two states even though it’s probably not realizable for the foreseeable future.” Thirdly, it should be declared that Israel will only build in settlements likely to remain part of Israel in a peace deal, namely the large blocs in Jerusalem’s suburbs.

Oren also indicated that Abbas in some ways presents a greater threat to Israel than the Gaza-based terror group Hamas.

“The irony of the thing is that Hamas presents a tactical threat to Israel with its rockets, it’s Mahmoud Abbas with the attempt to sanction and boycott us which is the strategic threat,” Oren said. “Any Israeli security official will tell you just what I’m telling you now, he’s the threat, we can preempt the threat by saying to the world [these] three things.”

Oren’s book and accompanying media op-eds and interviews have made waves over the past week, specifically over his expansive and detailed criticism of President Obama’s policy toward Israel.

 

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  • Kerry M Berger

    Don’t be so sure that the US might simply abstain from voting instead of voting for or against. Israel is barking up the wrong tree and it is threatening the lives of American Jews in the process. Since we are the largest donor and supporter of Israel, Israel should pay heed to the position that this Administration takes. Attempts to subvert the President’s authority is not read very well by millions of Americans Jews and non-Jews alike. It is a dangerous game to be playing and the loser will ultimately not be the United States but Israel if the Israeli Cabinet continues to play with fire. Sadly, I have to agree with the position of my country, Jew or not.

    • MsBs

      We WRER, before 0bama

    • MsBs

      We WERE, before 0bama

  • count l f chodkiewicz chudzikiewicz

    I am on one of my two annual trips to Europe that sometimes include Australia and new Zealand. I am shocked at the large left wing Jewish hatred of Israel and double standard at the least towards Israeli actions on immigrants Gaza and the settlements from Jews and others on the left. In the us and the UK however Israel’s defends are in bed with social conservatives and out and out racists which multiples the problems of getting Israel a fair hearing with moderates. Both France and new Zealand have had multiple Jewish heads of government yet they are named as supporters of the corrupt terrorist allied Abbas regime. Where are the French and new Zealand jewries? No where to be found!

  • Pastor CJ

    A bible prophecy teacher on TV (forgot name) said after the next war, likely the Psalm 83 war, then Israel will live in peace until the Ezekiel Gog-Magog war. Only man’s opinion but interesting.
    Both Barak Hussein Obama and this Evil pope hate Israel and have influence. Imam Obama knows a Pal state on Israeli land is the end of Israel.

  • Joe Stein

    The United Nations is barred by its very own charter from voting on any proposal which violates Jewish ownership and political control over any area of the former Palestine Mandate which includes Gaza, Judea, Samaria.

    Article 80 of the United Nations Charter of 26 June 1945 AKA the ‘Jewish clause,’ carried on protection of exclusive Jewish political rights embodied in Article 5 of the 28 July 1922 League of Nations Mandate for Palestine which states:

    ‘The Mandatory (Great Britain) shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.’

    Other Non-Jewish groups were afforded their own political rights to self determination in the vast territories encompassing the Madates for Syria, and Mesopotamia, but not Palestine.

    The articles of the League of Nations Mandate recognizing exclusive Jewish political rights in Palestine were later adopted into United States Law by the 21 September 1922 resolution 360.

    Therefore, should the United Nations security council choose to breach its own charter by voting to create a Palestinian state within Israel, the United States will be legally obligated to veto such a resolution

  • BERNHARD LAZARUS

    Instead of agreeing to discuss peace but that it is impossible for us because of Hamas, Hezbollah and Palestinian Authority resolutions and never repudiated, that I srael will never be recognised but must be destroyed and thereby strengthening the hand of our friends, enlightening the general public and putting the ball in the Arab court, our PM unfortunately by his “diktat ” remarks has again shown that Israel rejects peaceand the Arabs do not have to react as we do it for them Pathetic
    regards
    Bernhard Lazarus

  • Paul Winter

    Oren’s pre-emptive three positions are so much diplomatic gobbledegook. Oren is right in that Israel should relearn to act pre-emptively; under the current leadership Israel would have waited for the Arab onslaught in 1967. What Israel should do is to punish the Arabs who seek to undermine her. If they step out of line turn off the electricity and the water. If the French or New Zealand measures reach the Security Council retake Gaza, Judea and Samaria and dump the Hamas and PA in what remains of Syria. There, the Jew-hating, implacable terror glorifying jihadis can negotiate with ISIL and have Obama as the chief facilitator.

  • rachel robinson

    I see that there are 20 comments to this article but this publication is now showing any of them I would very much like to see what others are thinking. Too bad this publication is hiding those from us, and this is done daily.
    I think I will stop reading what you are writing, and I do not feel I will lose much by doing so.

  • International conventions are generally referred to as treaties.
    Treaties are written agreements between States that are governed by international law. Treaties are referred to by different names, including agreements, conventions, covenants, protocols and exchanges of notes. If States want to enter into a written agreement that is not intended to be a treaty, they often refer to it as a Memorandum of Understanding and provide that it is not governed by international law. Treaties can be bilateral, multilateral, regional and global. The law of treaties is now set out in the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties which contains the basic principles of treaty law, the procedures for how treaties becoming binding and enter into force, the consequences of a breach of treaty, and principles for interpreting treaties. The basic principle underlying the law of treaties is pacta sunt servanda which means every treaty in force is binding upon the parties to it and must be performed by them in good faith. The other important principle is that treaties are binding only on States parties. They are not binding on third States without their consent. However, it may be possible for some or even most of the provisions of a multilateral, regional or global treaty to become binding on all States as rules of customary international law. There are now global conventions covering most major topics of international law. They are usually adopted at an international conference and opened for signature. Treaties are sometimes referred to by the place and year of adoption, e.g. the 1969 Vienna Convention. If a State becomes a signatory to such a treaty, it is not bound by the treaty, but it undertakes an obligation to refrain from acts which would defeat the object and purpose of the treaty.

  • With these quotes, the Arabs tell the story of the origin of the Palestinian refugees in their own words:

    ON APRIL 23, 1948 Jamal Husseinei, acting chairman of the Palestine Arab Higher Committee (AHC), told the UN Security Council: “The Arabs did not want to submit to a truce … They preferred to abandon their homes, belongings and everything they possessed.”

    ON SEPTEMBER 6, 1948, the Beirut Daily Telegraph quoted Emil Ghory, secretary of the AHC, as saying: “The fact that there are those refugees is the direct consequence of the action of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agreed upon this policy unanimously…”

    ON JUNE 8, 1951, Habib Issa, secretary-general of the Arab League, wrote in the New York Lebanese daily al-Hoda that in 1948, Azzam Pasha, then League secretary, had “assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and of Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade … Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property, and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states.”

    IN THE MARCH 1976 issue of Falastin a-Thaura, then the official journal of the Beirut-based PLO, Mahmoud Abbas aka (“Abu Mazen”), PLO spokesman, wrote: “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”

    ON APRIL 9, 1953, the Jordanian daily al-Urdun quoted a refugee, Yunes Ahmed Assad, formerly of Deir Yassin, as saying: “For the flight and fall of the other villages, it is our leaders who are responsible, because of the dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs … they instilled fear and terror into the hearts of the Arabs of Palestine until they fled, leaving their homes and property to the enemy.”

    ANOTHER refugee told the Jordanian daily a-Difaa on September 6, 1954: “The Arab governments told us, ‘Get out so that we can get in.’ So we got out, but they did not get in.”

    THE JORDANIAN daily Falastin wrote on February 19, 1949: “The Arab states… encouraged the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies.”

    ON OCTOBER 2, 1948, the London Economist reported, in an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa’s Arabs: “There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit … And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades.”

    THE PRIME Minister of Syria in 1948, Khaled al-Azem, in his memoirs, published in 1973, listed what he thought were the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948: ” … the fifth factor was the call by the Arab governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and leave for the bordering Arab countries … We brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees by calling on them and pleading with them to leave their land.”

  • We are tired of hearing anything from anyone associated with the U.N. The U.N. is a biased parasitic and criminal enterprise dominated by our-Israel’s mortal enemies. The U.N. cannot create states, it can only recommend and so can other nations only recommend and not create a state that never existed before in history. The U.N. has no authority to violate international treaties (confirmed by the 1920 treaty of Sevres) that reconstituted Israel in Palestine and no other entity was allocated territory in Palestine by International Treaties. If they want an Arab-Palestinian state, it already exists, it is Jordan which has taken 80% of Jewish allocated land, in violation of international treaties. They also have the land the Arabs Countries confiscated from the Jewish people which is 5-6 times the size of Israel 120,440 sq. km.
    We are tired of stupid post-colonialist rhetoric. We liberated our territory after being attacked by the surrounding Arab countries. We are not ‘colonists’ and Arabs do not have the right to murder us in the name of ‘resistance’ or beheading Jewish Rabbi’s in Jerusalem’s Har Nof Synagogue. Talking this way reveals you as moral imbeciles. The Arabs train their children to be suicide bombers and terrorists. The Arabs are the colonialists, they have colonized the whole Middle East. They are on their way to colonize Europe and bring more death and violence. (The France massacre killing 12 people and other violent attacks against civilians throughout the world).
    The government of Israel has the duty, obligation and responsibility to defend its people against any harm whatsoever with no holds barred, world opinion or criticism be damned.
    YJ Draiman.

  • It is noteworthy to inform the world at large, that Jordan (Jordan territory has taken over 77% of the land allocated to the Jewish people under 1920 International Treaty) is a country that never existed in history before WWI and nobody is contesting its legitimacy or territorial sovereignty and control. The same powers that established 21 Arab States plus Jordan after WWI also re-established the State of Israel based on the Balfour Declaration and the San Remo Treaty of 1920 and confirmed by the 1920 Treaty of Sevres and Lausanne.
    On the other hand, Israel and its Jewish people have over 4,000 year of recorded history (just review all the archeological discoveries the past 100 years in Greater Israel).
    Many Nations and people are questioning Israel’s control of its liberated territory. No one is mentioning that the Arab countries had persecuted and ejected over a million Jewish families and their children from their countries which they have lived in for over 2,200 years, the Arabs confiscated their assets, businesses, homes and Real estate property. About 650,00 of these expelled Jewish families and their children were resettled in Greater Israel. The Real estate the Arab countries confiscated from the Jewish people 120,440 sq. km. or 75,000 sq. miles which is over 5-6 times the size of Israel, and its value today is in the trillions of dollars. The British as trustee for the Jewish people, violated the 1920 San Remo Treaty and Mandate for Palestine and re-allocated 80% of the territories assigned to the Jewish people under International Treaty and gave it to the Arabs as a new Arab State Trans-Jordan, East of the Jordan river and prohibiting Jewish people from residing in Jordan.
    Let the 21 Arab countries resettle the Arab Palestinians in the land they confiscated from the Jews which is 5-6 times the size of Israel. Provide them with funds they confiscated from the million Jewish people they expelled and let them build an economy, This will benefit both the Arab-Palestinians and the hosting countries, The other alternative is relocate the Arab-Palestinians to Jordan, (originally land allocated for the Jewish people under the San Remo Treaty of 1920 and confirmed by the 1920 Treaty of Sevres and Lausanne) which is already 80% Arab-Palestinians, and give them funds to relocate and build an economy. This will solve the Arab-Palestinians refugee problem once and for all. It will also reduce hostility and strife in the region.
    If this is not discrimination against Israel, I do not know what is.
    It seems like nobody cares about land violations in other countries in the world, but when it comes to Israel, everyone has a say. Israel’s rights in the terms of the treaty of San Remo of 1920 are in affect in perpetuity, it clearly states that the Jewish people are the only ones with political rights in the British Mandate of Palestine and that the Jewish people can live anywhere in the British Mandate, confirmed by the 1920 Treaty of Sevres and Lausanne. The U.N. cannot create countries, it can only recommend its resolutions.
    If the U.S., Europe and other countries will stop meddling, and stop its criticism and involvement in the politics of Israel and the Arabs, than there will be a chance for peace.
    We know the great powers are only interested in the OIL and nothing else, that is the bottom line.
    A true and lasting peace in Israel will bring mammoth economic prosperity to The Israelis and The Arabs alike.
    An approach to peace starts by teaching your children and the people not to hate and condemn any acts violence that hurts civilian population and stop celebrating and rewarding the death and destruction of each other.
    http://www.cfr.org/israel/san-remo-resolution/p15248
    http://www.cbn.com/…/July/San-Remo-Resolution-Revisited/
    YJ Draiman
    P.S.
    No Jew has the right to yield the rights of the Jewish People in Israel –
    David Ben Gurion
    (David Ben-Gurion was the first Prime Minister of Israel and widely hailed as the State’s main founder).
    “No Jew is entitled to give up the right of establishing [i.e. settling] the Jewish Nation in all of the Land of Israel. No Jewish body has such power. Not even all the Jews alive today [i.e. the entire Jewish People] have the power to cede any part of the country or homeland whatsoever. This is a right vouchsafed or reserved for the Jewish Nation throughout all generations. This right cannot be lost or expropriated under any condition or circumstance. Even if at some particular time, there are those who declare that they are relinquishing this right, they have no power nor competence to deprive coming generations of this right. The Jewish nation is neither bound nor governed by such a waiver or renunciation. Our right to the whole of this country is valid, in force and endures forever. And until the Final Redemption has come, we will not budge from this historic right.”
    BEN-GURION’S DECLARATION ON THE EXCLUSIVE AND
    INALIENABLE JEWISH RIGHT TO THE WHOLE OF
    THE LAND OF ISRAEL:
    at the Basle Session of the 20th Zionist Congress at Zurich (1937)
    “No country in the world exists today by virtue of its ‘right’.
    All countries exist today by virtue of their ability to defend themselves against those who seek their destruction.”

  • historian

    Where are they going to get that land? Certainly NOT from Israel. Make all the resolutions they want to in the 3rd world dominated UN.. Ans because Obama has NEVER been a friend of Israel’s no one is surprised to hear they would not object to Palestinians becoming a state.. Who would wan to live next to that terrorist organization.

  • Bob Jackson

    Oren is a ray of sunshine and reason who needs to be listened to and supported.

  • steven L

    In the meantime the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights) has recently judged that Israel is not an occupier of J & S nor Gaza!
    No concessions should be made to an INEXISTENT state whose leadership is fanatical.

  • steven L

    In the meantime the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights) has recently judged that Israel is not an occupier of J & S nor Gaza!
    No concessions should be made to an INEXISTENT whose leadership is fanatical.

  • Scott

    If BHO does not veto the French proposal, israel should immediately annex Judea and Samaria,
    No if ands or butts about it.

    The only real long term solution is to enact a plan along the lines of Caroline Glick’s or Martin Sherman’s. Anything else, simply enables and extends the day off into the future when true peace can be realized.

  • President Obama, and all of his predecessors going back to Truman are not following International Law that dates back to the San Remo Declaration, which adopted the Balfour Resolution. This defined Palestine for the Jews as being between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. This was also in Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations. When the League of Nations was succeeded by the United Nations, the boundaries became part of Article 80 of the UN Charter. The actual terms prohibit the establishment of a second nation within the defined boundaries.

  • Emily Korzenik

    Pres. Obama’s determination to make a nuclear deal with iran is the most disturbing thing. Iran tells us that they won’t allow access to any military installations. The Atomic Energy Commission people have not been given access in the past. Why does Obama think it will be different now. Iran, our enemy , arms our other enemies, Hizbollah, Hamas, Assad etc. If we remove sanctions Iran will have more money with which to arm their co-conspirators.

  • Michael Mayben

    It will be shameful if the U.S. doesn’t cover Israel’s back by vetoing the United Nations Security Council resolution calling for the creation of a Palestinian state.

  • How do we contact our Gov to provide veto?

  • nelson marans

    The probable decision not to veto the anti-Israel motion that will be placed by France with its 10% Muslim population only confirms what has been stated by many supporters of the state of Israel, namely that this administration is the most hostile to Israel of any since the founding of the Jewish state. President Obama has shown his true colors and any claim by him that he is a friend of Israel is a canard as shown by his actions during the past six years.

  • Sammy Eppel

    It was simply a matter of time for anti Israel Obama’s policy to take effect. At least Oren has the courage to call by it name. Obama did not trick anybody, he was crystal clear in his Cairo speech.

  • art

    TIME FOR AMERICAN JEWS TO WAKE UP. Time to protest take to the streets and let Democratic leaders know that if Obama refuses to Veto the UNSC resolution Jewish votes will go to the GOP

  • Bibi and the Israeli politicians are too arrogant to realise the importance of propaganda and launch a counter attack against the PA against their glorification and rewarding terrorists and the PA TV incitement of hatred against Jews.

  • Michael Palmer

    Abbas is a phony. He was never going to make peace with Israel. He had many opportunities and failed to take them.

  • Cynthia

    Betrayers in the UN security council, who needs them anyway

  • Rick

    They already have a palestinian state , its called Europe

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