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July 3, 2015 7:04 am

Jews Who Harass Christians? Not in Our Name

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Mount Zion gathering of Jews and Muslims breaking fast together. Photo: provided.

Mount Zion gathering of Jews and Muslims breaking fast together. Photo: provided.

Recent reports that some Charedi Jews disrupted a Christian mass on Mount Zion really upset me. When insensitive bullies who dress as and proclaim their obedience to Judaism treat Christians disrespectfully, especially those wishing to worship, they themselves are proving how far they fall short of Jewish values.

The Jerusalem Post reported that “hundreds of Jewish protesters sought on Sunday to prevent a group of Greek Orthodox Christians from entering the complex housing the sites where Jewish tradition says lies the tomb of King David and Christian tradition holds is the site of Jesus’s last supper.” The site has been controlled by Christians for generations. Fortunately the police arrived and ushered the worshipers through the mob.

To make matters worse, an ancient church in the Galilee was vandalized. I am glad the Israeli leadership condemned the crime and that many offers of help and repair rolled in from Jews. Had the perpetrators been Arabs, I have no doubt they would have been caught. But for some reason the police do not seem too bothered about Jewish vandalism.

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I understand that there are sill a lot of Jews whose experiences of several Christian denominations has been colored not just by centuries of abuse but specifically by their experiences during World War II (there were, of course, some notable and noble exceptions). Such depth of feeling is difficult to eradicate, and it often gets transmitted on to the next generation.

The Catholic Church in particular has changed dramatically in my lifetime, radically transforming itself to become the most sympathetic and warm to Jews of all the churches. And many, mainly evangelical, Protestants revere Jews as the Chosen People.

The churches in Israel have always had to walk a tightrope in protecting physical assets and their presence in the Holy Land. This has inevitably put them in a very difficult position in regard to the Israel-Arab conflict. Some of the churches in Israel have been guilty of stirring up hatred and anti-Semitism at home and abroad. On the Jewish side a handful of religious louts have always tended to behave despicably to passing peaceful pastors and nice neutral nuns, usually claiming that they have been guilty of missionary activity. I completely and unreservedly condemn such loutish behavior as a desecration of God and religion. We Jews ought to be doing our best to try to get along with others who wish us no harm, wherever we interact, and all the more so in what we too call the Holy Land.

Differences of theology are for theologians. Judaism has always taken the position that where other religions have a moral code, adhere to the principles of the Seven Noachide Laws, their faithful are regarded as pious and beloved of the Almighty. We do not believe that everyone must become Jewish to fulfill themselves religiously. How others choose to worship and what they believe is their business.

In 1958 my father, with amazing foresight, packed me off to Jerusalem to get some Jewish inspiration. In the intimate Jerusalem of those days you would bump into the political and religious elite simply walking around Rehavia on a Shabbat morning. Amongst those I met, and who kindly offered hospitality, was Dr. Kahana, Director General of the Ministry of Religious Affairs. He loved to regale his Shabbat guests with how he would hike around the Galil discovering the graves of great rabbis of the past. And when he was challenged as to the authenticity of his identifications, he brushed aside any objections on the grounds that it was good for national heritage, not to mention the tourist industry.

One of his favorite projects was what he called Mount Zion, a modest hillock to the south of the Old City, which had been occupied by the Jordanian Legion since the Jewish population had suffered massacre or expulsion in 1948. A wall divided the city—this one built by Jordanians. What is called Mount Zion survived the war in Jewish possession. There once stood a Byzantine Church built in 5th century, after it was claimed to be the site of the Last Supper. It became one of the earliest gathering spots for early Christians. Its present building is an early 20th century monstrosity. And to its south were some nondescript buildings. The 12th century Jewish traveler Benjamin of Tudela had heard it said that King David was buried there, in a sarcophagus in one of the rooms of the church.

Since the real Mount Zion, the Temple, was in Arab hands, Kahana was anxious to find some substitute holy site on the Jewish side. So he decided to publicize this location as the burial place of King David, even if King David’s Jerusalem was down in Silwan and there was no indication that this had ever been a burial ground, certainly not a royal one. And so it was. Busloads of tourists would make the pilgrimage to this most ersatz of holy sites, suitably and artificially charred with candle smoke and grease to give this most unlikely of sites the patina of ancient holiness.

I was never a fan of relics or of pilgrimages to graves, and to me the whole project was a joke. After 1967, when the Old City was opened up to Jews and we could visit the genuine location of Mount Zion, Kahana’s site lost its raison d’etre. For a while he transformed it into a Holocaust museum, but of course Yad Vashem left it in the shade. The buildings were handed over to the Diaspora Yeshiva, which made a name for itself as the first place ex-hippies could come to study Talmud and smoke hashish at the same time. No one bothers with it much nowadays.

Several times a year, Christian pilgrims come to the cenacle near the Dormition to say mass, in a deal agreed on high (government, of course). Credulous folk, they really do believe this was the location of the Last Supper. There is no end to the absurdity of what people of all faiths will believe, then or now. But why not leave them be? They are not harming anyone.

I can only explain the behavior of those ultra-Orthodox yahoos as a fit of religious paranoia—unless of course it was drug induced. King David would have known how to deal with them!

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  • Kathleen

    Thank you so much. I appreciate your thoughtful articles.

  • DACON9

    Mr Magoo
    your job is to sit down
    listen to the wise Jews
    then put into practice the lessons

    you are on ‘output’ not input
    the traits of ‘goyeem’

    let me remind you that jesus never announced he will die to give warning to any followers that they have nothing to be sad about. Let mne remind you that the people chose barbaras to live and not jeusx so just maybe they didn’t yet read Isaiah 53…Maybe jesux didn’t read Isaiah 53 yet as well. Or maybe he needed a good publicist.
    Let me also remind you that there was no bloody wedding night sheet, a tradition character of the time which again backs the assertion by many that the logical conclusion is you fell for a myth created about 50 years later that slowly evolved.
    I wonder what pantera the roman had to say..
    I think he would ask ..”did jeusx look like him”?

    let me remind you well its sunday..
    who is responsible for polishing your statues…

    magoo,, whats amazing to me is that you are so offended,
    defending a myth when the time should have been spent by you to investigate what I try to teach to you.
    Just think how glorious Shindler and Wallenberg feel
    being called a ”RIGHTOUS GENTILE AND HAVING A SPACE IN THE HEAVENS RESERVED FOR THEM.

    YOU SHOULD FEEL ALONE and embarrassed KNOWING THE HELL THAT YOUR god of flesh AND his FOLLOWERS IN his NAME
    BROUGHT TO CIVILIZATION… DELIVERING hell in the most uncivilized way in the history of mankind..sounds like an oxymoron …hell and uncivilized and jesux..all the same isn’t it

    You should be feeling repentance
    You should be crying for what xtians did to the JEWS AND HUMANITY FOR 2000 YEARS

    YOU SHOULD BE…BUT,
    INSTEAD YOU WRITE A MILLION WORD RETORT TO ME
    never stopping to think
    conducting your self like an animal in the jungle..
    not programmed to think but to live by inherent needs to kill

    • William C. McKee

      Dacon9,

      I’m not putting in for the job of Christ — take all your judgmental high horse objections up with him, or whoever God might field for that position.

      But the job of “The Rain Bringer” the Elijah position, I have achieved a spot on the very short list, with only a brief amount of time left for the job opening to be filled. If the job position isn’t filled within but a very few years time tops, then the desert won’t be fertile enough to feed the double population projected by the year 2050. And several billion people will then die of starvation. If Elijah is too late doing the walk onto the stage of public life, then as Moses warned concerning other matters, God would then receive a ton of bad press.

      The Elijah position doesn’t pay well, and it never did. So I’m not trying to rip anyone off. And it is not a people friendly sort of job. Elijah has never had much success at winning hearts and minds. Presumably the Christ that comes later on does a better job. Look at the Elijah chair Dacon9, you Jews both honor and chew him out at the same time. Sure he saved your country from the Baal people, but he complained that he had to stand against evil all alone to do it. The chair gives him both the honor and correction of welcoming the circumcision of a new baby boy and reminding him, that though he didn’t see them, that there were plenty of God’s priests hiding away in caves, or were yet to be born.

      Dacon9, are you going to be hiding in a cave when an angry “Gabriel” makes the rounds? If that is your plan, then don’t dare to chew me out. Because I don’t intend to hide from him. It is a prophet sort of thing, that maybe you (simply) can’t understand.

      Forget the circumcision chair, that might get a little old with all the painfully crying babies. I the honored cause of their suffering moment, would be less than comfortable. However I might enjoy some good home cooked meals with that extra chair at the table. And probably a nice glass of wine wouldn’t hurt — though that is certainly not my habit.

      Concerning the matter of death. Likely I’m prepared for it as much as the next guy with being tested with out of body near death matters before. You yammer as a child frankly about there being no resurrection for Jesus. And though I have actually stood in the palm of Gods hand, and have been objectively and measurably blessed by the deity — I wasn’t graced by any extra information, outside of the Bible, as to a resurrection. Maybe only deities and angels are immortal. Thus when I die — I die. That uncertainty, more than the complaining of people that I die for (like you), has to be compensated for by the balance of yielding up my life for many lives. Put a sock in it Dacon9, about the crap that no one dies to save you (or your soul). If you are hiding in a cave, you don’t get the right to dump on someone who did. And about 2015 years ago, some one who inspired me to stand against great evil power, did exactly the same thing. Exactly the same thing. Got it?

      And you yammer on just as long as me. But aside from all that self hating Jew or a world that hates Jews stuff goes, you don’t have all that much to say. Man up and stop hating yourself and hating others. You don’t need a God if that is all that comes out of you. You were blessed to bless a world. Accept the blessing and do so. Grace is not just a word.

      • DACON9

        YOU HAVE PROVED DARWINS THEORY OF EVOLUTION.
        some people did evolve from apes.

        also the 7TH Noahide law to prevent mankind from acting like an animal running without thinking.

        you have to study that law also.

        by the way…..

        JEWS ARE NOT UNDER THE ROMAN LAWS ANYMORE.
        DO YOU KNOW THAT MILLIONS OF JEWS DIED RATHER THEN ACCEPT YOUR BELIEF?
        in case you didn’t realize it…

        Mr Magoo, this week I had a wondrous week…
        I converted 3 Mormons and 2 xtians 4 buddists..
        to learn the NOAHIDE LAWS….

        and they joined my fan club.
        I see I fill your day with thought…
        would you like an application?

        what is your score?

  • Dear Jeremy
    Back in January you had an article called “Gun Control after Paris” where you stated “Israel is a country where citizens have access to guns and where they are constantly under threat.” I told you that Nefesh told me that most people in Israel were not allowed to have guns.
    Below is an article from Arutz Sheva which backs up what Nefesh told me.
    I am very glad that Jews NOW have more access to guns to protect themselves.
    Zionist Mom
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Controls/SendFriend.ashx?print=1&type=0&item=197717

    News
    Tammuz 18, 5775, 05/07/15 07:03

    Rise in Gun Sales: Jews Are Arming

    In the wake of terror wave, residents of Jerusalem neighborhoods are taking advantage of new regulations that allow them to arm.
    Hezki Ezra
    Gun shop owners are reporting a spike in gun sales, as a result of the current terror wave, and also of new regulations that allow more citizens to buy and hold guns.
    Yitzchak Mizrahi, who owns the Magnum firearms store in Jerusalem, told Arutz Sheva Sunday that Jews are responding to the ongoing terror attacks in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria, by buying more weapons, and that the new criteria issued by the Interior Ministry are making it possible for many people who could not do so in the past, to arm themselves.
    “Weapons sales in recent months have jumped up a step,” Mizrahi said. “People feel less safe because of the terror attacks. An additional reason for the rise in gun sales is the new Interior Ministry criteria, which have added many locations that were forbidden in the past and that are allowed today. This gave a big boost to sales.”
    In the past, the people who were allowed to buy guns were people who lived or worked in “danger zones” – mostly Judea and Samaria and parts of eastern Jerusalem. Now, Mizrahi said, “anyone who lives or works in Judea and Samaria and also a person who lives in Ramot, Adam, Pisgat Ze’ev, Maale Adumim, Gilo, Armon Hanatziv and Har Homa can receive a gun license.”
    The most popular types of guns on sale are Glocks, and Israeli made Jericho and Bul guns, he added. “Today, there are almost no used guns on sale, and most of what we sell is new. The prices of used guns start from NIS 500 and new ones can reach NIS 4,000.”

    Tags: handgunsterror wave

  • William C. McKee

    Dacon9, I am one of these that you refer to as a xtian. Was it a term that you invented? High praise if so.

    Your concern that Jesus is a dead man is noted. And a certain amount of logic is on your side. For it isn’t at all natural to get better from being dead. Still you are stuck with with the bifurcation of your own religious traditions, and can’t do much about it. One school of thinking was that there was a “resurrection”. And by another school there wasn’t. Both had deeply Jewish roots. All the way back to Moses? I don’t know. But isn’t Moses also a dead man? Concerning the matter of souls, and Moses, there is a story about the body of Moses after his death. Heaven’s angels wanted to take his body to Heaven, for all the good and great things that he did. But angels from Hell claimed the right to his body for his sins. At least one of which your referenced text condemned him to never enter the Holy Land. And when still an official of Egypt, he looked right and then left, saw no one, and then murdered a man, that his office, should have allowed him to arrest. Not to the King of Egypt, who he swore an oath to serve, nor to the God of the Ten Commandments, did he do any better than Cain of the first story in the Bible in confessing his sin. In this he was no King David.

    King David, who you seem to hold a high regard for, sinned in ways that kings normally do. That didn’t seem to trouble the prophet (an office that you seem to well regard) to any greater extent than to refuse to allow God’s blessing to David to build a Temple to his God. But famously his sinning did not stop at that point. He fooled with another man’s wife, a sin of its own (even if he was a king), but compounded the first sin by trying to cover it with a calculated cold blooded murder. That was too much for the prophet to look the other way over. God through the prophet foretold of the coming ashes of King David’s Kingdom.

    But the great king, came to his knees and as a broken man and repented. God heard him, and God forgave. What happened Dacon9? Did King David make restitution for a stolen item? Is it not of Jewish tradition, that if you have stolen something from someone, that you pay it back and then some? But King David could not do that with a stolen life, nor really against the compounded sin of the trust that God gave to him. Saying that you are sorry falls short. Only the mystery of “God’s Grace” saved David and his Kingdom. At that point Dacon9, God gave a spiritual “resurrection” to King David’s soul. And all things considered, you can not say otherwise. For did not God, through the prophet previously declare him as dead?

    Is it really a true religious insult to bring a cross to the grave of King David? The cross is no less than a symbol of a man cursed by God to die, then forgiven the transgression by his act of repentance, and then finally (by faith) no less than “graced” with new life. It is part of your scripture that this happened with King David. Everyone asserts it as so. Allow that it might also be so for Jesus in the trial and death that he went through. Regard, you honor the grave of a “dead man”, because God heard him. Are you sure that God did not hear the rabbi Jesus?

    Some of the followers of Jesus wanted him to be no less than a Jewish Spartacus and lead a popular revolt against Rome. And no doubt that was a temptation. It was one way of being a Jewish Savior. Clearly, your scripture has two versions of a Savior for your people. The Lamb of God version, who takes away the sins of the people. And the warrior version who slays all God’s enemies.

    With his last free moments in a garden, it is said that Jesus was under such a strain that he sweat blood. If he was a warrior hero, then he might kick the Romans out of Palestine and live to glory in it. And maybe he might have also been smart enough to pull it off — and stay alive afterwards. History tells us of two or three warrior Saviors after the time of Jesus. It should be noted Dacon9, that they also wound up dead on a cross — just like Jesus. Do you blame the later destruction of Israel and its Temple more on Jesus, than the warrior heroes? Whatever the case, he is remembered as a healing rabbi, and few even know the names of the warriors.

    Consider this Dacon9. You do not consider yourself a prophet, but have some regard for those that are. When King David repented, and was “graced” by God, when he proved that grace by the inspiration of writing Psalms, do you then consider him a prophet? If so, he too, wrote about a suffering Savior, and definitely not a warrior king, like himself. How else to rationalize the words of Psalm 22, beginning with the words “My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?” The verses that follow have much suffering, almost transparently as occurred at the cross of Jesus. But ending with much grace indeed from God.

    Lastly, even if you do think the thinking of Jesus as “warped”, even if you do think that he brought more suffering to the world than peace. He was a rabbi, and a Jew, just as much as you.

    • DACON9

      WILLIAM MCGEE…
      yes disrespect as you disrespect MY BELIEF)

      I DONT HAVE PATIENCE TO READ ABOUT XTIAN(YOUR)
      HOCUS POCUS STORIES.
      I have many questions,rhetorically perhaps,
      but I will only pose ONE to you…well maybe two,
      WELL as I write I may take off as I am posting,
      I write as a think, never proof reading my stuff.
      so xtian warrior sit down and learn…

      WHY DID YOU XTIANS build a church to look like a synagogue in Brooklyn NY.
      OOOKAYYYY …HERES ANOTHER.

      Why do you xtians send salesman all over the world to “”sell”” your deadmangod of flesh?

      Why do you xtians once physically kill people if they didn’t accept your deadgod and now spiritually kill JEW through deceptive lies to JEWS.wasnt your killing inorder to prevent those who don’t accept your deadgod from further sinning,,so you killed them so they cant sin anymore….what a god you manufactured.

      Why do you xtians USE AND USED EVERYTHNG JEWISH to support your deadgod intentionally mistranslating twisting inserting words never written by the JEWISH AUTHORS.
      your xtian mantra is”cant ya see it? cant ya? its right there”’cant ya?

      listen up xtian missionary…
      IT AINT THERE, IT NEVER WAS THERE,NEVER WILL BE THERE
      in fact YOU XTIANS ARE
      violating THE ONE G-D ””OWN WORDS””’
      “I AM ALONE”””
      “THERE IS NONE LIKE ME”
      “I AM NOT OF FLESH”

      YO MAH MAIN MON….(Jamaican accent from Brooklyn)
      REMEMBER THE PROPHETS MESSAGE BY ”THE ONE”G-D ALONE”
      “O ISRAEL I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU EVEN IF YOU FALL TO THE LOWEST PITS ‘I’ AM THERE TO PULL YOU UP”

      LISTEN XTIAN WARRIOR….YOU NEED to defend your lies..
      you feel guilty about following such a xtian fabrication, a complete lie for money and power.
      YOU KNOW IT. You know it and I Know it.
      You are overcompensating for your inferior insecure belief system by denigrating JUDAISM.
      These words I give to you will make you back up and scratch back harder, I know this..
      but my message is not for you who is beyond repair…
      my message is for anyone sitting on a weak fence wondering and watching who will emerge the victor here.

      THAT ANSWER IS SIMPLE ‘O XTIAN WARRIOR’
      Instead of pointing t your 2000years of cruelty to JEWS,
      I will point to the 2000 years of success by JEWS.

      You skinned us alive, we smiled and your executioner asked us THE JEW to pray for you in heaven.

      You tore our temple stole our gold and silver hoping to obliterate us but WE JEWS ARE HERE AND YOU STILL RUN AFTER US. what is the JEWISH secret that you want from us…

      your Vatican said JEWS will never get STATE CALLED ISRAEL because we xtians replaced the JEWS AND IN 1948 WE GOT A STATE CALLED ISRAEL.

      you said JEWS cant survive and the brits tried their best to limit(QUOTAS)the Jews from re-entering the newly reaffirmed HOLY LAND OF ISRAEL…
      JEWS numbered approx. 500,000 in 1948 and NOW JEWS ARE 6 MILLION IN OUR HOLY LAND.

      xtians contributions have been MAINLY wars to society…
      JEWISHCONTRIBUTIONS HAVE BEEN SCIENCE,MEDICINE AND
      HI TECH AND NOBEL PRIZES AND DOCTORS AND PHILOSOPHERS AND ATTORNEYS AND GREAT MORAL WRITINGS TO FURTHER SOCIETY HUMANITARIAN AID TO WORLD CATASTROPHES SUCH AS HAITI AND INDONESIA THE FIRST TOHELP THE WORLD,,
      where was the Vatican? where was the arabs? where was the buddists? where was the b’hais..where were all the peaceful preachers?

      Lets talk money… I have heard when the sisters/nuns went on strike in NewYork years back asking for 50 cent USD raise and the church REFUSED THE RAISE AND SO THEY WENT ON STRIKE and in turn all the children FOR 3 MONTHS had no where to go. They were mostly from the bottom economic scale of society…3 MONTHS O XTIAN WARRIOR, children in the streets…your church didn’t give a damned except to ONE THING FOR 2000 YEARS…JEWS KILLED JEUSX…that’s your rebuttal to all your sickness.

      I READ AT THAT TIME THAT YOUR ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE ”’RICHEST LAND OWNER IN NEW YORK””
      but the sisters had to strike for 50 cents sending the kids to the streets.

      LISTEN TO ME YOU ARROGANT FOOL….did you think your lengthly post would affect me? I am from the KINGS AND HOLY PEOPLE, YOU ARE FROM THE VIKINGS AND BARBARIANS AND THE NORSEMAN AND FROM THE DREDGE OF THE WORLD.
      JEWS HAD TO FIGHT WTO SURVIVE YOUR ONSLAUGHTS WHILE WE WERE LEARNING TO SERVE THE ‘ONE G-D’
      I AM FROM KING DAVID AND AARON AND I AM ONE OF G-DS SONS….

      YOU adopted immorality from the greeks then the romans into your xtian life.
      400 PRIESTS REMOVED FROM VATICAN…848 PRIESTS MOVED AROUND NOT FIRED …FOR HOMOSEXUALITY….

      YOUR JOB IS TO LEARN.
      YOU HAVE NOTHING TO TEACH A JEW.

      2000 YEARS AND YOU STILLHAVE YOUR ARCH OF TRIUMP THE ARCH OF ”TITUS” CELEBRATING YOUR DESTRUCTION OF JEWISH HOLY TEMPLES AND RANSAKING KILLING ENSLAVING US
      and you want to preach to HOLY PEOPLE, THE NATION OF ISRAEL?

      YOU O XTIAN WARRIOR..maybe you can repent and be
      as written in OUR HOLY BOOKS…you goyeem, non jews can have a share in the world to come if you learn from the JEWS THE NOAHIDE LAWS

      AND LEARN RESPECT.
      G-D THE ONE G-D OF ISRAEL HATES YOUR, I SAID SPECIFICALLY ”’YOU CHILDREN OF ESAUVS ARROGANCE”’.

      YOU AND NO XTIANC NEVER TEACH A JEW.
      JEWS ARE ON T HE 4 CORNERS OF T HE EARTH TO RECITFY
      YOUR SINS…I SAID RECTIFY YOUR SINS..
      one of your sins is teaching immorality
      another is taking JEWS AWAY from the only G-D

      THE WORLD HAS BEEN IN EXISTANCE FOR 3,700 YEARS
      BEFORE YOUR DEAD MAN.
      YOUR DEADMANGOD ONLY BROUGHT DEATH.

      I ADVISE YOU TO GO IN THE CORNER AND CRY
      begging THE JEWS FOR FORGIVENESS

      FIND A ORTHODOX TORAH RABBI
      not a reformed deformed conservative
      because if they were truly rabbis they would never call themselves reformed deformed or conservative.

      I will not pray for you..
      you have to lift yourself up on your own
      NO ONE CAN DIE FOR ANOTHERS SINS

      • William C. McKee

        Dacon9, read my prophetic post to the Rabbi Jeremy Rosen, concerning his thread of Iraq getting what is needed to make a nuclear bomb. I note that you as a “Jew” show not so much as even a tiny bit of respect for this fellow Jew. Even perhaps not so much as actually considering him a Jew.

        By what I wrote, in the measure of blessing Israel with something infinitely greater than any amount of weapons and money could even possibly do, I as a prophet am far more Jewish than you are. That is transparently obvious, give it a go to prove otherwise.

        A question for you: if there is no evidence that you show respect for anyone else. Then give even one reason for why anyone else should respect you?

        Furthermore, the people of ISIS are heavy into teaching that there is no God but God, just like you are doing. What are you otherwise doing that God would find different in you from them? Do you love your fellow man, if he is even an enemy, as the Rabbi Jesus taught? Or, as in the case of Jeremy, do you even love your fellow Jew as Moses taught? With all the righteous killing (and murdering) that ISIS is engaged in, there is some doubt that they have love for anyone even in their own religious tradition — even down to themselves. Are you trying to give a like example in your own conduct? Before man and God be honest. And use the term “God” rather than “G-d”, for God wouldn’t give you any brownie points for respecting him, if you in turn have not a lick of respect for anyone else in “His” Creation. That would be a joke. Right?

        If anything out of this encounter, you have probably learned that I am not merely “a reed in the wind” impressed by so much generated (empty) hot air. You reminding me of the wolf in the story of “The Three Pigs”. Are you trying to be the wolf or a pig? In your interpretation of the Bible, who would be more Kosher to emulate? The wolf is rather like you. The pig, or one of them, the wise one built his house on a good foundation — immune to the storm of the wolf. Much as in the foundational story of a certain house that Jesus taught about. That is the Rabbi Jesus taught about it. What Rabbi (or angel) taught you to be a wolf? Break down and present his teachings. ISIS had supposedly the angel, who called himself “Gabriel”, that taught them to be wolf-like. Name your teacher. Cite his works. And don’t cowardly refer to him as “G-d”. The “Gabriel” who taught ISIS is just as reverently differential as you are. He explains that he wishes not to disturb God, by entering into his presence, lest an angry God burn off his wings. That was not my impression of God’s nature Dacon9, as I stood in the very palm of his hand, after offering myself up as a human shield in a truck accident. You know only of God from what you have read or been told. Experiencing his direct presence is something else. Eventually everyone will have that experience. But if God is primarily about Love rather than several hundred Bible (or Koranic laws) that no one keeps anyway — for the experience of the grace of God, it might help if you also had love as part of yourself. Then you and God might be on the same page.

        But would you rather carp about the sinfulness of everyone else (even fellow Jews) rather than face up to your own. Rules and laws tell you as a gauge of the gulf between yourself and God. But learn from your declared hero, King David, and likewise avoid his fate of destruction, by the acceptance of God’s grace. By the acceptance of the “Lamb of God” who takes away the sin of the world. And reforms you to be more like himself. Then you look on the rules and laws as less your enemy than before the change. ISIS hates their rules and laws so much that they desire with all their being for the easy out, of the martyr clause. With all your talk of how everyone hates the Jews, are you so different? I gave a means for the Jews to be heroic, 80 some equations as to how to do it. Would those like you rather wallow in your comfort zone of being hated, or give a great blessing to the world by greening the entire Sahara desert. There is no challenge in wallowing in self pity. But there is one in the prophetic realization of bringing rain where there wasn’t any. Of feeding even billions of people that without the rain would die of simple starvation.

        As a prophet, I am required to tell you of such things. My having to answer to God, if I fail to act on grace given revelations. But fortunately, having given you the tools, it is solely up to you to decide as to using them (or not). You ultimately answer for not blessing the world — when the means was directly placed in your hot little hands. Good luck in but giving God merely an excuse — like “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

        ISIS would have the excuse that “Gabriel” taught Mohammad that there would simply be no more prophets after himself. But is my 80 some page book (thus far), giving humanity more hope than his book ever did? I answer all questions about the Palestinians. I give them something infinitely better than a cage of concrete walls.

  • Julian Clovelley

    There seems to be just as much rubbish in elements of Judaism as there is in elements of Christianity. Religion generally seems to me to be a bit of a failure

    Try being nice – and don’t worry about having a motive so to be. To the secular person all one sees in these confrontations is a bunch of sad fools arguing over pure figments of over-rich imagination

    Sanity is a long time coming!

    • DACON9

      JULIAN
      I never liked you.
      I accidently sent you an invite to my party.
      PLEASE,,,DO NOT ATTEND MY PARTY.
      you will be refused entry at the door
      STAY AWAY

    • Thomas the Catholic

      Christianity and, to a far lesser extent, Judaism have their problems. But, to state that ‘To the secular person all one sees in these confrontations is a bunch of sad fools arguing over pure figments of over-rich imagination.’

      Are you serious? In light of horrors of these G-dless, that is, secular, regimes in the last century and the slow motion disasters of the current G-dless regimes evolving under Obama & Co. and the EU with their corresponding foundational myths, the secular person is held up as some moral standard for Jews and Christians? Risible!

  • Sarah R

    A loud amen to all of this–respect for pious Christians and, for Jews, avoiding the absurd idolatry of grave worship.

  • Mr. Rosen,

    For Rabbi Berger’s proofs that the site that we know as King David’s Tomb is the real deal, I would suggest you read his newsletter that I translated in 6 parts:

    http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2015/06/rav-berger-on-kever-david-and-geula.html
    http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2015/06/rav-berger-on-kever-david-and-geula_12.html
    http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2015/06/rav-berger-on-kever-david-and-geula_14.html
    http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2015/06/rav-berger-on-kever-david-and-geula_15.html
    http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2015/06/rav-berger-on-kever-david-and-geula_16.html
    http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2015/06/rav-berger-on-kever-david-and-geula_22.html

    The Xtians there don’t belong. I am against harassment, but I advocate for a much larger Jewish presence there to show that the site is a Jewish one and a Jewish one alone.

  • DACON9

    I DONT REMEMBER IF YOU WROTE ABOUT YOUR UPSET OF XTIANS DESECRATING KING DAVIDS TOMB
    burning incense bringing crosses and other forbidden
    items into The kings tomb. The JEWISH KING.OUR KING..

    I don’t remember if you wrote about your being upset from the xtians seducing deceiving proselytizing to Jews world wide

    I don’t remember if you also were upset at xtians going to JEWISH senior citizens homes and hospitals tricking conning pressuring the weak the tired the sick JEWS to accept their deadmangod of flesh.

    I don’t remember if you cried from the xtians who opened a church dressed like a shul with priests dressed like rabbis standing outside enticing young yeshiva boys to ‘come inside and lets learn and we will pay you for the lunch time” situated between 2 yeshivas in Brooklyn New York on coney island avenue (and/or anywhere) to destroy our Jewish youth, to confuse the kids belief in order to weaken them to accept a deadman who only brought destruction to the Jewish world.

    I remember what our prophets said in the name of the
    ONE ONLY G-D ABOUT edom and esauv
    at the end of Isaiah and Amos.

    I FORGOT SO MUCH
    MY TEARS BLURRING MY MEMORY FOR OUR NATION ISRAEL
    FOR WHAT XTIANS DO TO “””JEWS””” UP TO THIS VERY MOMENT.

    Hashem said ‘MEASURE FOR MEASURE’
    I AM NOT A PROPHET BUT I SEE WHAT OUR ENEMIES
    the children of yishmael are doing to
    our enemies children of esauv….

    I DONT KNOW..
    IS THAT MEASURE FOR MEASURE…
    WITH MORE ON THE WAY UNLESS THEY REPENT?

    Is that a sign for the HAREDI TO CONTINUE?
    not to appease our enemies?
    Is that A SIGN FOR THE ARABS TO CONTINUE?
    (until time for arabs judgement)
    Is that a sign for
    ALL ISRAEL TO EXAMINE THEMSELVES?

    THIS I KNOW

    SAVE YOUR TEARS YOU GIVE FOR XTIANS
    FOR YOUR OWN JEWS.

    SADLY
    ISRAEL, THE PEOPLE AND THE NATION STATE
    STILL NEEDS YOUR TEARS
    until we repent
    UNTIL MASHIACH

    (((( att readers, Zionist xtians are for Israel and Jews
    *only*only*only to bring jesux
    and not for JEWS to practice as MOSES TAUGHT US.

    ZIONIST XTIANS ARE NOT CELEBRATING OUR DIFFERENCES
    BUT in their mind celebrating a jesux coming a second time,believing it will happen through bringing Jews to bow to their deadman.

    NOTE HOW XTIANS START AND their MIDDLE AND THEIR END?
    they need the JEWS
    THEY BELIEVE THROUGH JEWS.
    xtians do NOT have a relgion without Jews.

    JUDAISM is not PREDICATED on nor
    relying on a messiah.

    xtians have warped TORAH and our prophets.

    READERS…GO TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE..
    GO TO A TORAH ORTHODOX TORAH ORTHODOX RABBIS ONLY…
    FOR FURTHER ADVICE )))

    • William C. McKee

      Dacon9, you are not the only one who reads the Bible. A lot of these prophets are as blood thirsty and manipulative as Henry Kissinger. And very like Mohammad himself, were not above predicting that the Kaaba would be burned to the ground, after he the prophet rebuilt it after an earthquake with several alternating layers of of wood and stone. Any engineer at the time would have warned him that that was a bad idea. Self standing thick limestone walls are utterly immune to any amount of fire — on the other hand. If you sleep on your side overly much (as a sign), and have the ear of the King of Babylon wanting to please a displaced prophet, then like Henry Kissinger of our time you can have convenient wars where you want them. That would be more mind manipulation than act of God. An example was where Mohammad called for the instillation Ali as his successor. And then predicted exactly who would kill Ali and when. When Ali was asked, why he took no steps to protect himself from the known assassin he simply responded, “Well if I do that, then who will kill me.” He likely was trained to think in that way, from reciting several times a day that “There is no God but God, and Mohamed is his prophet.” A “Pavilion response”, like a dog salivating at the sound of a dinner bell. Likely Mohamed out did even your guys with specified predictions of death and destruction. He was very specific with who would do the evil acts. With separate people and separate cities.

      One question though Dacon9. While it might be impressive to predict murder and evil acts, by people and by nations. Wouldn’t it be even more impressive to turn people away from doing murder and evil acts? Less blood to throw on an alter of bloody glory perhaps, but also much more compassionate.

      Some prophecy is to be taken as conditional. Maybe even (potentially) most disaster prophecy. Not actually being a prophet yourself Dacon9, you may not have much considered that. It was the experience of Jonah that his prediction of doom caused people of another culture and set of Gods to repent. Sack cloth and asses for everyone, even their animals. Jonah was very highly pissed off with God, that his neighboring enemies weren’t put to a bloody death. Would the guys that you cite also feel that way, if people repented on their watch, and terrible scenes of death did not take place? Or like clearly the case with Mohamed’s people, are you solidly addicted to that expected outcome? It being but a bell ringing. And disappointed in God if he elects to refrain from death and destruction?

      A specific example might help. The modern day region of Iran that holds nuclear enrichment labs and missile technology is what the Bible used to call “Elam”. Read about it in Jeremiah 49:34-39. The prophets of old would be utterly shocked at what regional nuclear weapons might do. They would not so blithely talk about war with them, if they knew of even a fraction of their potential. Full out war with all of Israel’s nuclear weapons would not protect them, but rather bring about a nuclear winter killing people all over the globe — including where they are located. Even Saddam’s oil fires, very small by comparison near generated a nuclear winter. As it was, many in Asia suffered severe crop losses.

      President Obama has attempted to defuse the matter. But many do not think that he will manage it. I could go through a list of reasons as to why not.

      Meanwhile the Iranian clerics also read the Bible. To compensate for what the book says, they have dug in past the depth of ground penetrating bombs by either America or Israel. We offer bluster as to that not being the case, but engineering is engineering. And we know from simulated war games that a support fleet to defend super expensive stealth bombers could easily be sunk by Iranian fast boats. And add to that the Gog out of Magog factor of defense agreements between Russian and Iran. A very hot war is very possible. One prophet even had a war taking several years even to bury the dead. He had this beautiful Temple at the end of the story. But a modern reader would have to wonder if only ghosts and angels would be left to service it. Such is the all destroying power of super weapons. Just as quickly as in Ezekiel’s story, the war could be over, and no one on any side left alive.

      It would be better if Elijah broke the “bow” in question rather than half effort peace talks, that no one believes will do this. If war is used to break the bow, then hardly anyone might live through it. But my peace plan has a great deal more spiritual muscle than the Administration’s. And the core engine of why it will work much better than war, is the generous use of the “Golden Rule”. It has never been tried with Iran, from the year 1900 onward. An entire century of greed to steal oil. Using every evil ever thought of. Repeated blockades. Repeated bribes. Turning down cold an offer by Iran to go 50/50 with their net prophets into our corporate banks. Instead of fairness of any sort, we overthrew their long experiment with Democracy and installed a King and evil police state of our training all to lock onto their oil. This version of Elijah utterly destroys the value of fossil fuel oil. That coupled with ending the very deep Iranian drought. And ending forever the suffering of all Palestinians everywhere. Plus other things. Plus generating the call for a long overdue apology for all concerned — should be infinitely better than the OT prophecies calling for blood baths everywhere. It comes from loving not only friends but also enemies as Jesus taught.

      A message to all prophets in the past, present and future. Pay attention. This era’s Elijah informs you, that not seeking after peace, and giving unlimited glory to blood-letting, is nothing other than evil. Nothing other than evil. It was evil for Jonah. And it is the same for you.

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