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August 31, 2012 12:05 pm

Israeli Paper: “A Shouting Match” Took Place Between Israeli PM and US Ambassador Over Iran

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A cutting of the article that appeared on page 2 of the Israeli paper, headlined '"Confrontation."

“A shouting match” allegedly took place between Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the US Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro during a visit by Congressman Mike Rogers (R-MI), Chair of the House Intelligence Committee earlier this week, the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronot reported Friday.

Under the banner headline “The Conflict”, correspondent Shimon Shiffer, claims that during the meeting with Rogers, who was accompanied by Ambassador Shapiro, Netanyahu blamed Obama for not doing enough to stop the Iranian nuclear program and trying to block Israel from acting independently, and as a result, “time has run out”. At this point, Shapiro intervened to protest that the PM was misrepresenting Obama’s position, “ignoring the President’s commitment to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons”.

According to the report, when the Prime Minister responded, “sparks flew” and the meeting ended on a confrontational note. Shiffer claims that during the whole exchange, Congressman Rogers “was watching from the sidelines, stunned”. The article ends by quoting an unnamed political source who claims that “if Obama wins, Netanyahu will have to look for safe shelter from the President’s vengeance”. The Algemeiner has not independently confirmed the accuracy of this story.

The US Embassy in Tel-Aviv declined to comment on the report, and Susan Phalen, Communications Director at the House Intelligence committee, did not immediately respond the The Algemeiner’s request for comment.

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  • And since my last post I read Charles Krauthammer’s brilliant article in the Washington Post which hopefully will be read by all.

    Thank you, Mr. Krauthammer
    http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/09/thank-you-mr-krauthammer_1.html 

  • [1] First off why not read the original jpost article from the original Hebrew Yediot if you cant read Hebrew? The story is entirely different than reported above, Here is the article excerpt blaming the shouting with Netanyahu. So stop going crazy all you commenters because Meridor ( Likud) from Netanyahu’s Cabinet said “Despite disagreements, ( Deputy PM) Intelligence Agencies Minister Dan Meridor said on Saturday that both the US and Israel agreed that if Iran made the political decision to put together a nuclear bomb, it would still take 18 months to two years for it to be able to assemble one.” So Israel can delay this for 2 years in time for a new president if you happen to be the ones who fantasize that obama will not attack but Romney would.

    [2] If you doubt that there is a difference between obama and romney why not read the Algemeiner’s own interview with one of the innermost people in Netanyahu’s inner circle here http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/03/05/on-iran-and-obama-how-bibi-will-decide-exclusive-interview-with-eyal-gabbai-part-1/

    [3] Here is the real JPOST article excerpt showing that Bibi started the shouting match
    “According to the report, which The JPost could not independently verify, the showdown took place as Netanyahu met with Shapiro and Republican Cong Mike Rogers, who visited Israel earlier in the week. A source that participated in the meeting said that a particularly angry and stressed Netanyahu began a tirade against the US president, attacking him for not doing enough on Iran. “Instead of pressuring Iran in an effective way, Obama and his people are pressuring us not to attack the nuclear facilities,” the source quoted Netanyahu as saying. Angered about continued US rhetoric that diplomacy needs more time to work, Netanyahu said flatly: “Time has run out,” Yediot reported. The American ambassador is said to have responded politely but firmly, telling Netanyahu that he was distorting Obama’s position. Obama promised not to allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, he explained and left all options on the table, including military options. At that point, diplomatic sources told the paper, “sparks flew” in an escalating shouting match between Netanyahu and Shapiro as the stunned congressman watched.”

    [4]and further in JPOST:
    According to the report, the exchange took place a week ago Friday during a meeting with visiting Republican Congressman Mike Rogers. Yediot reported that at a certain point, as “sparks flew” in the room, Shapiro responded politely but firmly that Netanyahu was distorting Obama’s position.
    “I heard from the Prime Minister’s Office that there was nothing to this report,” Meridor said. “That it was not true.”
    Neither senior sources contacted in the Prime Minister’s Office nor at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv would comment on the story.
    White House spokesman Jay Carney – responding to comments made by US presidential candidate Mitt Romney at the Republican National Convention in Florida on Thursday evening about Obama’s ineffectiveness in dealing with Iran – said that under Obama, “cooperation with Israel between our military and intelligence communities has never been closer, assistance provided to Israel by the United States has never been greater.”
    ( exactly what Ehud Barack said in March )

  • Matt

    The US was never going to support Israel in a strike on Iran, Dick Cheney knew that way back, that is why I was sent to Israel to help them so they could act alone, without the US. Because when the time came what is happening now was always going to happen.

    Cast Lead was a live fire exercise to iron out any problems and to deconstruct Hamas, the south can still be held with minimal assets. Multitasking. Lebanon was next but the US said no. So Syria had to be deconstructed, the US is trying to keep Assad in power.

    You go to war with the military you have, not the one you would like, sure shape the environment, tactic and strategies, some new technologies, innovation.

    My objective was to make things as easy on the Israel public as possible, the US strategy is the opposite. I wanted to divide and conquer the axis with preemptive operations, such as Cast Lead. The US wants Israel to face a multi-front war.

    All the US leaks were modules to protect US interests the Saudi fields, 5th fleet, Straits of Hormuz, US bases. The Afghan 5 year plan to remove all US forces from Afghanistan except an over-watch by the end of 2013.

    The covert operation to delay the Iranian bomb until the US had removed the human shields from Iraq. Convincing Iran to let them leave Iraq.

    So it does not rattle me, it was taken into account. Cheney trusts me, he trusted me on Iraq, let me set up the 5 years for Afghanistan via Karzai, which they butchered and messed up and lost the Afghan war.

    The decision to strike or not strike will be the Israeli’s and not through treachery and bullying by the US.

    Take a good look at the American dream because you are seeing it. That is the main disagreement in Israel those that still believe it the PR and psychological operations that create the American dream and those that has seen the reality. The reality we foretold years ago and planned for, your on your own.

    After it is over and the US removes sanctions they will come to study and learn secrets to the way of war. At least that is what they think.

    They can keep punishing me for my position, as with this outcome was foretold all the planning has been done, I need to speak to Israel. And don’t forget one day we will have the keys to the WH again. And it is you that will be punished.

    • Hello Matt,
      Everything you say sounds correct.
      I was just wondering what you meant in the last sentence.
      Who will be punished in the end ?

  • This I know that Obama will never attack Iran and will never come to Israel’s aid. Any talk that he would is pore rhetoric to gain more Jewish votes. He is after akl a Muslim and feels toward the Jewish State as al Muslims do

  • Esther Sarah Evans

    b”H
    The Emes is that not a thing depends on Obama or Stama or anyone else on the face of this earth. Our future depends solely upon HASHEM.

    Whoever votes for Obama, who is a puppet of the Islamic terrorist groups, votes for them. However, whoever else might get voted in will not likely stay alive unless he likewise becomes such a puppet.

    If sparks have flown and if sparks fly, it is because Netanyahu or someone else touches on the truth – which is like stepping on someone’s corn or ingrown toenail. Don’t worry, Mr. Netanyahu, and don’t listen to Barak either. Listen to HASHEM, and you will see wonderful things to come. If you are honest, you will have trillions of TNT of power and more as your backing, and without detonating a thing, you’ll win.
    If you really want to shine and help us win fast – even before Rosh HaShana, ask us all to do Tshuva, all to act with Chen vaChesed and Rachamim in the eyes of HASHEM and all who see us and to keep Shabbat to the very best of our ability. Do that, Mr. Netanyahu, and you’ll save the entire world.

  • Aurora Aronsson

    @ Mr. Sklar: I don’t think you undesrtood even the beginning of the problem.

    ANY comparison is impossible and misleading when done, between the Cold War, where two rational and not suicidal powers were facing, and the situation the WHOLE CIVILIZED WORLD would face with a nuclear powered Iran, where “dying for Allah”, “martirdom”, “dying while killing as many infidels as possible”, are national values. Besides, even the possession of dirty bombs in the hands of a terror-sponsoring and organizing regime, is a danger as much for Washington DC, New York City and Los Angeles, as it is for Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, Rome, Paris, Amsterdam, Oslo, Stockholm, Berling and Moskow.

    As far as Mr. Shapiro is concerned, independently from any possible – but doubtful -merit of his in the dispute, the FACT ITSELF that he got in a SHOUTING MATCH, shows that he has NO IDEA what being an ambassador means, that he is not at part with the job requirements – just as most of Obama’s appointees and the appointer himself: a bunch of pretentious militants, factious and unprepared, without any experience in the REAL WORLD of production and management of anything if not bureaucracies and political organizations.
    These people are a shame on the whole U.S. of America and a danger for US survival as an economic, military and political leader, and for the future itself of LIBERTY in the whole world.

  • LT COL HOWARD

    President Obama will take no action before the election. President Obama will take no action after the election. If Mitt Romney wins, it is highly unlikely he will take any action during his 1st year in office.
    THUS ISRAEL IS ON ITS OWN AND MUST MAKE ITS OWN DECISIONS.
    “”ignoring the President’s commitment to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons”….. THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE NO COMMITMENT. All he has said is trust me. Every other American president whose use that approach has violated his pledges and commitments to Israel.
    “quoting an unnamed political source who claims that “if Obama wins, Netanyahu will have to look for safe shelter from the President’s vengeance”…
    This speaks volumes about President Obama . Every American and every Israeli should worry about a President with such a sick ego. that it could affect US foreign policy. That so many Americans and Israelis believe that this could be true is enough to question anyone who supports Obama.
    Had Obama set a time limit on negotiations or placed red lines on Iranian nuclear developments then he might be believable… But “I’m not bluffing” is a message to Iran that in fact he is bluffing and is not to be taken seriously. Unfortunately Iran has very publicly emphasized that he is bluffing and that they think he is a paper tiger.

  • Robert Sklar

    As someone who lived thru the nuclear confrontations of the cold war, I am not as concerned with Iran’s nuclear ambitions as I am with the Militarization of the Sinai and the loss of the last vestiges of secular Arab society. Our Universities, and now our government have been infiltrated by Salafist ideologues who have convinced policy makers of the good faith of the Muslim Brotherhood, even as 1500 year old Churches are destroyed and free speech, as limited as it might have been previously, is now completely eliminated. Are we to blame for supporting repressive regimes like Mubarak’s??? Or is there another explanation??? One thing for sure: we are funding both sides of the conflict with Islam. The sooner we stop sending our money to the Middle East, the better!!!!!!

  • Robert Sklar

    As someone who lived thru the nuclear confrontations of the cold war, I am not as concerned with Iran’s nuclear ambitions as I am with the Militarization of the Sinai and the loss of the last vestiges of secular Arab society. Our Universities, and now our government have been infiltrated by Salafist ideologues who have convinced policy makers of the good faith of the Muslim Brotherhood, even as 1500 year old Churches are destroyed and free speech, as limited as it might have been previously, is now completely eliminated. Are we to blame for supporting repressive regimes like Mubarak’s??? Or is there another explanation??? One thing for sure: we are funding both sides of the conflict with Islam. The sooner we stop sending our money to the Middle East, the better!!!!!!

  • Chaya

    I think Israel should make its preemptive strike at Iran during the democratic national convention. It’s a win-win for Israel. If Obama does nothing to support Israel, he’ll probably lose Florida and hence, the election. There are a lot of Jews in Miami. If he backs Israel, kol hakovod, and he still just might lose the election. At any rate, Israel’s only friend is HaKadosh Baruch Hu and no one has a better friend.

  • Jill Skriver

    For any of you who pray to the God of the Bible; pray Romney wins the U.S. election. So many Americans are disgusted with the Obama administration. Romney will let the World know that the U.S. under his administration stands with Israel.

    • frankie linetsky

      I am aghast at the amount of leaks coming out of Israel and her leadership .

      Israel must understand that no country ,leader or goverment is truly an allie when the shit hits the fan or the IDF hits the skies .

      I am an American and a Jew and I have no doubt none what so ever that given the chance I would be rounded up and sent to the cattle cars if I only depended on obama and not Israel to defend my right to exist …

      5,000 years of Jewish struggle , opression and dislocation has taught me that no one stands up for a Jew be he American British or ISRAELI EXCEPT FELLOW JEWS …. Obama is not our friend , Putin is not our friend our friend is named HASHEM and for 5000 years Hashem has stood with his people ….. Israel do what you must do to feel safe and soverign ! The rest of the world is of no concern to HASHEM …

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