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October 9, 2015 10:26 am

New York Times Gives Credence to Muslim Claims of No Jewish Temples Ever on Temple Mount

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The New York Times questioned whether the Temple Mount was also the precise location of two ancient Jewish temples. Photo: Elder of Ziyon.

The New York Times questioned whether the Temple Mount was also the precise location of two ancient Jewish temples. Photo: Elder of Ziyon.

The New York Times is now “evenhanded” about historical facts.

Maybe Jewish history that has been continuously accepted for thousands of years and supported by overwhelming evidence is right, maybe the Muslims who are trying to destroy all evidence of Jewish history for political purposes are right.

It is a mystery:

Historical Certainty Proves Elusive at Jerusalem’s Holiest Place

Within Jerusalem’s holiest site, known as the Temple Mount to Jews and the Noble Sanctuary to Muslims, lies an explosive historical question that cuts to the essence of competing claims to what may be the world’s most contested piece of real estate.

The question, which many books and scholarly treatises have never definitively answered, is whether the 37-acre site, home to Islam’s sacred Dome of the Rock shrine and Al Aqsa Mosque, was also the precise location of two ancient Jewish temples, one built on the remains of the other, and both long since gone.

Those temples are integral to Jewish religious history and to Israel’s disputed assertions of sovereignty over all of Jerusalem. Many Palestinians, suspicious of Israel’s intentions for the site, have increasingly expressed doubt that the temples ever existed — at least in that location. Many Israelis regard such a challenge as false and inflammatory denialism.

The writer, Rick Gladstone, is either dense or knowingly deceptive.

Many archaeologists agree that the religious body of evidence, corroborated by other historical accounts and artifacts that have been recovered from the site or nearby, supports the narrative that the Dome of the Rock was built on or close to the place where the Jewish temples once stood.

No, every archaeologist and historian with a shred of intellectual honesty believes that. What is not 100% certain is the exact location of the Temples on the Mount, as Gladstone reports without understanding the words:

Kent Bramlett, a professor of archaeology and history of antiquity at La Sierra University in Riverside, Calif., said historical records of the destruction committed by the Romans, just by themselves, are “pretty overwhelming” in supporting the existence of the second temple in the immediate vicinity of the Dome of the Rock.

Still, he said, “I think one has to be careful about saying it stood where the Dome of the Rock stood.”

There is a huge difference between saying that we are not certain of the exact physical location and dimensions of the Temple buildings themselves, and saying that they were never built on the Temple Mount altogether, as the Arabs now claim and the New York Times is now saying is possible..

There is literally no doubt that the Second Temple existed  on the Temple Mount. There are huge stairs on the southern end leading up to the Mount; there are impressive arches and gates still extant from Herodian times, the Herodian extensions on the Mount itself and retaining walls still exist, and there are many ritual baths outside the complex to ensure purity for those ascending to the Mount. The Old City is not that large, and evidence from the Torah, New Testament, Josephus and even Roman officials testify as to the existence of a huge, impressive Temple in Jerusalem – there is literally nowhere else it could have been.

While there is no archaeological evidence of the location of the First Temple, the idea that Jews returning after exile to rebuild it would not place it on the exact same spot is equally ludicrous.

The New York Times, seizing on the uncertainty of the exact locations, is casting doubt on the existence of the Temples on the Mount altogether – and giving credence to Arab Temple denial. To say that there is a question as to “whether the 37-acre site… was also the precise location of two ancient Jewish temples” is a flat-out lie, and journalistic malpractice.

And giving credibility to those who want to deny Jewish history is antisemitism.

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  • Count LF Chodkiewicz Chudzikiewicz

    I met the current Mr. Sultzberger twice and he was pleasant to me but became disinterested when I pointed out my late Mother received a Jewish Award for Jewish History from his Greatgrandfather Adolph Ochs and that some of his Jewish relatives and executives of The New York Times were friends and neighbors of my Jewish grandparents and went to the same Temples and Synagogues. Any “Jewish” reference seem to be of no interest to him. This was in the 1990s!
    The fact is the largest stockholder is a Mexican national of Arab ancestry and the executives are foreign Christians and American Blacks that seem to have a real personal contempt for Jews and the Jewish Faith and Israel. The “Jewish” figures at the paper are either half-Jewish Christians or Jews married to Christians who hate any reference to Judaism or Israel.
    Moreover the constant list of errors of fact in everything from articles about Broadway Shows of the past to correct offices held by Foreign officials shows the reporters and editors frankly are very sloppy.
    That The New York Times, like the BBC, the Financial Times, the Chancellor of Oxford University, the Labor Party in England,and just about any guest on or moderator on MS-NBC is now self-evident

  • Shmuel Shimshoni

    The New York Times is trying to outdo the BBC in printing falsities about what everybody in the cultured world knows to be true.

  • Bentziyon Pil

    Mrs. Rick Gladstone.You are fascist and Jewish scorpion,who try kill himself

  • Linda Miller

    Maybe its time for a little BDS for the New York Times. What is a better wake up call than a huge decline in readers?

  • Mark my words:

    The G_d of Israel will PUNISH Jews who purchase the New York Times, because they are the NYT’s accomplices.

    • Howard Wohl

      The God of Israel? I guess you are not a monotheist. You must think that your God does battle with the Gods of Allah and Jesus and those on Mt Olympus. This is Jewish?

    The review of good text, Encyclopedia,etc. , make clear the right of the jewish people in rightful claimant to the entire section called Israel. It’s head city is Jerusalem.
    Those who counter facts by destruction earn the penalty for contempt of Heaven’s Court. For as well, The Earth is HaShem’s and the fullness thereof; Et al. He is Adon Olam

  • Quite clearly seen throughout history is erasure of a conquered culture’s history. This for the many reasons. One being, that by doing so, the conquered having no rally point,and because it disheartens, they submit.
    This continued effort is seen by claim again, of there never being The Bet-Kadesh on site,in spite of even Greco-Roman proofs,etc.
    Just now,looked into this for source. Multiple sources of proofs by many of the subduers, showing there was Jewish Temple there. Thank you.

  • Many years ago the Israeli archeologist in charge of excavations of Davidic structures in Jerusalem gave a lecture in Jhb. I forget his name but it began with a B.

    He told of the strong Moslem antagonism to his research which according to the Moslems was aimed at the undermining and eventual destruction of the al Aqsa mosque.

    To give the lie to these accusations he erected cameras around the places where he worked. These cameras were set to take periodic photos/films of his work and were available for the inspection of all. They helped to silence the Moslem fanatics.

    At the same time as he was excavating, the Moslems were also digging up the area on the Temple Mount. The Israeli and his team also used photographic equipment to supervise the Moslems.

    B. told his audience how on one occasion they saw the Moslems bring a piece of a column to the surface that bore no resemblance to the architecture of the Mosque or the Dome of the Rock. It could only have belonged to one of the Jewish temples.

    The Moslems realised this as well and proceded to smash this artifact to pieces.

  • Mishmarot

    There is always a need to perceive the clear differences between Islamic and Judaic/Christian views of history in a way that recognizes Islamic versions of patriachal and other early events as late revisions with a fixed agenda.

    Anyone is entitled to make up his own view of events and attempt to justify it, but such a version must also have historical and textual evidence to support it and have some archaeological respectability as its underpinning.

    There will always be debate over the kind of historical data that can be adduced in argument, but not whether it is optional to depart from available evidence altogether.

    I have stood on the Temple Mount once and stood three time at its base, beholding the massive stones of the Herodian Temple. Questioning its reality would not only stretch anyone’s credulity, it would make one wonder if a given critic were interested in researching facts at all.

    Is the tendentiousness of a late, alternative theological framework so important to its zealous devotees that they are prepared to sacrifice the history of Israel and Judea in a manner reminiscent of the way ISIL is dealing with ancient monuments? This is very dangerous. Bogus academic demolition in Europe preceded physical violence, because it is in nature of human self-righteousness and hypocrisy to generate pseudo-justifications for attacks on Jews.

    If one thinks of the absurd racial theories and slanders which infiltrated German universities before thuggery was unleashed on the streets, one realises why the NY Times cannot claim to be neutral amidst the current tensions.

    As for Israel: if someone attacks her verbally, it would be a mistake not to see that as a clear build-up towards another vain attack designed to make lies erase reality.

    Anti-Semitism is an expression of hatred: it never stands still. Like a caged beast, it waits for its opportunity and the fact that it may wears a nice suit means nothing

  • Max

    It’s hard to say why the New York Times is bending backwards (or perhaps forwards) to appease Palestinian claims clearly designed to de-legitimize the existence of Israel. Muslims are known for erecting mosques on top of Christian churches after destroying them to affirm the supremacy of Islam or at least to transform a church into a mosque as they did with the Agia Sophia cathedral following the conquest of Constantinople (now Istanbul) by the Ottomans in 1453. For ultra liberal writers in the New York Times to give credence to such claims in the name of evenhandedness is ludicrous and shameful journalism more in line with a publication owned by Hamas. NYT shame on you!

    • Hugo Stahlie

      Max: Muslims built mosques on top of Christian churches or converted
      them to mosques. Christian (Catholic) religion destroyed Indigenous temples in Latin America and in Spain converted the mosque in Cordoba to a church.
      No doubt many religions tried to erase the existence of others. So what’s new?

  • Dan Bahat

    I don’t understand the deliberations. There is no doubt that the Holy of Holies was on the rock protected to day by the Dome of the Rock.
    Any scholar of considerable value will not deny it. It is pity the NYT did not ask any local scholars who are studying the Temple Mount for deacades.

  • the most important reason to believe that the site of the mosque is the exact site of the Temple is that the mosque is built where it is.
    There is only one reason to have built the mosque, and that is that the Muslims have always built upon the remains of the previous religions most holy sites.
    Before the Dome of the Rock was built, there was a church on this site which was destroyed by the Arab conquerers in 644 AD.

    In India at Ayyudtyah, the Muslims built a mosque,which was also labelled the third mostly holy site in Islam, on the site of the birth of the Hindu god Ram. A decade ago hundreds of disgruntled Hindus took the mosque apart brick by brick.

    The Muslim world was angry, but what are they going to do to a billion Hindus.

    As for the New York Times, lest we forget they were one of the last newspapers to write about the Holocaust.

  • Mordecai Ben Natan

    Q. How much money are the editors and reporters of the NYT being paid by the Islamic/Arab world.
    Q. Has there ever been an investigation into the huge bribery?

    I hope the US Jews stop buying that used toilet paper, and stop advertising in that used toilet paper.

    Q. Why is the NYT so anti-Semitic and anti Israel?

    A. there are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world and 14 million Jews in the world, so with the Arab/Islamic states buying and advertising in the NYT, they have a huge readership and huge income from advertising.
    Not that millions of Arabs can read, but those who can read can then spread the world of Islam all over the world, and tell the uneducated, illiterate, that it is the will of Allah.
    Tell the Islamic world all the lies about Jews and Israel,
    so that the hatred will spread.

    Q. Why is the NYT still in existence?
    They should have folded many years ago. But then again, the big question is,. if that used toilet paper folds there are countries like Iran Saudi Arabia, Qatar and every other wealthy Arabs, would buy this and spread the lies even more.
    The big surprise, is that the owners , many of their editors, and reporters are Jewish.
    Has the FBI ever investigated their “wealth” in bribery?
    They certainly sold their souls to Satan

  • Alan Carter

    Better yet sense the reaction if one challenges the proof of Mohammed’s existence!

  • Alan Carter

    Equate the proof of existence of Christ and sense the reaction!

  • Andria Switzer

    Why would a so called respectable newspaper even consider publishing garbage and lies? It’s another example of prejudice, denial, lazy journalism, attempts at controversy for the sake of controversy, and miseducation the uneducated. Waste of time in the history of the universe–has no purpose than to deceive.

  • John Penny

    You’re taking it a bit too far. ‘One has to be careful’ due to the political nature of the statement.

    It’s the equivalent of saying ‘there’s 99 percent chance that it was there, but I can’t say it was there 100 percent’.

    The Temple was much larger than the Dome of the Rock, chances are that parts of the Dome of the Rock were just outside or just beyond it, but the majority of the Dome of the Rock stands where the Temple stood.

  • Robert Davis

    NY times is just a RAG a canard Worth nothing and no one asked its opinion! Personnally I do not buy it since at least 15 years. A rag is noty entitled to give political opinions ande still less a mix of archeological and political trash! Let them go to hell, no one wants their lies and crap.

  • Bill

    The Times as far as it’s reporting fairly with regard to Israel as a Jewish state and as a country has been deplorable.

  • Lia

    I’m terribly sorry, but that is the NYT. Like the BBC it no longer has any sort of reputation for truthfulness or for accurate reportage. (It may be our fault, though: it’s called the soft bigotry of low expectations. We have, for years, just stopped supporting them, instead of keeping them honest.)

  • Jeffrey Zucker

    Twenty years ago I took a tour of the Temple Mount with a very well known Israeli archaeologist. Toward the end of this tour we were escorted into the basement of the Al Aqsa Mosque to observe a piece of wood discovered during excavations there by the Waqf. It appeared to be a cedar column approximately 4 feet in diameter and fifty feet long. Our host said that it had been carbon dated to the time of Solomon’s Temple. He continued to say that as the door behind us was locked that we were probably the last westerners to ever see this piece of the Temple. The Waqf and others have done everything they can to destroy any possible evidence that the Temples ever existed.

  • Bob Cornuke’s published last year, book, THE TEMPLE is gaining a lot of attention on this topic. Please give a review of it for us.

  • David Goshen

    There was a gap of hundreds of years from the distruction of the Jewish Temple to the erecton of the Al Aksa and Dome of the Rock Mosques.
    Muslims always placed their mosques on the highest vantage point and it is very likely that they raised the level of the Temple Mount
    In all civilations there are strata one on top of the other
    so new building takes place on previous constructions
    From the massive quantities of Jewish Evidence remomoved by the Wakf which contains firm evidence of the Jewish Evidence and dumped outside the Temple Mout there is absolutly reasonble evidence that the Temple stood at a lower level.This is the case of all civilitations in the world.
    The solution required for the Temple mount is to build a futher floor on the Temple Mount so Jews can build their Temple on a higher floor and each faith can exist on separate floors.There is no restriction in the agreement with Jordan that no further building towards the heavans can take place .The floorv should be high enough to allow full view of the 2 mosques.

  • Mickey Oberman

    Please answer my previous letter.

  • Mickey Oberman

    Where are the 18 comments?

    Why are the comments always hidden?

    How can I view the comments without going through numerous convolutions every time I come to this site?

  • RobiMac

    The New York Times is nothing but a marxist/liberal rag magazine.

  • Fred

    I always thought the New York Sturmer is a rag of impeachable veracity. It was quite happy in the 1940 to supports NAZI Germany’s destruction of the Jews why should it stop now. I imagine Qatar is its main financial support
    Al Jezeera provides the true “news” as for the “token “Jews ” working there it is a sign of “love of Humanity “. What they need to do everyday to add passages of the Koran & Sharia & a true ,honest to Islam paper for everyday.

  • Mickey Oberman

    The New York Times —

    Palsy walsy with Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, The Gulf Emirates, etc., etc.

    But don’t expect any of those impeccably honest parties to own up to the truth.

  • Mickey Oberman

    The New York Times ——
    whore =
    • debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money: he had never whored after money.

    Times must be tough for a so called newspaper that people have learned is untrustworthy.

  • Yoel Nitzarim

    In my view as an educator, this type of journalism is considered yellow journalism because it is based on hearsay, and both emotional and psychological deception rather on empirical data, that is hard facts, e.g., archaeological finds and a universally time-honoured and respected doctrine, viz. the Hebrew Bible. I have forbidden my students from employing The New York Times as a credible, reliable, accurate source in the research for my college classes for years.

  • Gladstone, the writer of the NYT article, has gotta be dense regarding the Temples. I also would lay blame on the editors of the NYT for some sort of “even-handedness” on this issue of location. The earth is round, yet, in even-handedness, there are some people that think it flat. Check the archaeology, check the facts, won’t they?

  • You might want to check out Robert Cornuke’s book “TEMPLE” before unequivocally stating “There is literally no doubt that the Second Temple existed on the Temple Mount”

  • Lois Feinberg

    I am fed up with the NY Times!! After their history during WWII I should never have allowed myself to be a subscriber , although much of their information is quality. The anti Semitic trend of this newspaper is very disturbing and I am ending my subscription this week!!!

  • nelson marans

    I read the article and it was a sham with all evidence showing that the two temples were built with the Western Wall remaining. The New York Times and its pro-Arab reporters, including Jodi Rudoren, will do anything in their attempts to attack the legitimacy of Israel. The New York Times should change its motto to all the news that is false but we chose to print.

  • Fritz Kohlhaas

    The NYT is an anti-Semitic yellow rag!

  • Howard Wohl

    While the New York Times may be taken to task for its biased coverage of Israel, I don’t think this article is worth the trouble of decoding by this writer. I infer that the author does in fact agree that the second temple was built on this spot. I think he is simply saying that it is not clear where on that mount the Temple and especially the Holy of Holies was built. So was Al Aqsa, for example, built on that very spot? He appears to deride the Arabs’ belief that there is no history of Jewish activity there. What more would you like when archeological evidence is incomplete?

  • Dante

    Even if it is not sure where the original Temple stood and whether it really was built in Salomon’s times, there is no doubt that Herod’s Temple has been there in Roman times. I never had thought that even the fiercest anti-Zionists could tell such bollocks that it had not existed or something like this.

  • Nathan

    The best proof that the site of the Dome of the Rock is that of the Jewish Temples is that the Muslims chose to build their compound there. Islam is in the business of laying claim to the holy places of other faiths, so if this hadn’t been one, Muslims would have had little interest in it.

  • ART

    Christians better be concerned also. If the Temple wasn’t in Jerusalem where and what was Jesus doing. If Judaism is delegitimized so Christianity will be attacked and the Christians will not be “children of the book”

  • How odd for the NYTimes to gloss Jewish claims to land it occupied for thousands of years before Muhammed was born, dismissing all that history with scarcely a fact-check. How very, very odd.

  • It is Der Sturmer masquerading as a bird cage liner called the ny times

  • marlene

    The NYT is the worst liar of all media. Whatever they say is, ISN’T – period.

  • Stuart Katz

    how is this any different than the Obama cult saying Jerusalem is not the capital of modern day Israel, both are cut of the same cloth.